Re: ISO - 386 or 486 system or cplt mobo

2019-01-05 Thread devin davison via cctalk
I have a stockpile of them. Will get you pictures tomorrow. On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 11:59 PM Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > > > On January 5, 2019 at 8:42 PM drlegendre via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > > I'm interested in finding a 386 or slow 486 machine or moboj ust for > >

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-05 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On Jan 5, 2019, at 9:51 PM, Tony Duell wrote: > > Actually, is there a good reason not to fit all jumpers on that board? Looking at it, I was just wondering the same thing!

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-05 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 5:45 AM Fritz Mueller via cctalk wrote: > I’m speaking of the G740 at C13 on the RK11-C backplane, appearing on sheet > RK11-C-06 in the engineering drawings and described in the last paragraph of > section 3.2.5 in the RK11-C manual? > > On my RK11-C, this is jumpered

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-05 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On Jan 5, 2019, at 9:17 PM, Tony Duell wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 12:45 AM Fritz Mueller via cctalk > >> Easy enough experiment to try; would need to re-jumper the G740 disk >> selection flip chip in the RK11-C too, I guess? > > No. One difference between the RK11-C and RK11-D is

Re: OT? Upper limits of FSB

2019-01-05 Thread Curious Marc via cctalk
Interconnects at 28Gb/s/lane have been out for a while now, supported by quite a few chips. 56Gb/s PAM4 is around the corner, and we run 100Gb/s in the lab right now. Just sayin’ ;-). That said, we throw in about every equalization trick we know of, PCB materials are getting quite exotic and

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-05 Thread Jerry Weiss via cctalk
On 1/5/19 11:17 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 12:45 AM Fritz Mueller via cctalk wrote: • Try using the drive on the other bus if RSTS can be booted of from DK4. Easy enough experiment to try; would need to re-jumper the G740 disk selection flip chip in the

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-05 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 12:45 AM Fritz Mueller via cctalk wrote: > > • Try using the drive on the other bus if RSTS can be booted of from > > DK4. > > Easy enough experiment to try; would need to re-jumper the G740 disk > selection flip chip in the RK11-C too, I guess? No. One difference

Re: uc04 + scsi2sd ?

2019-01-05 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk
On 1/5/2019 7:55 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 1/5/19 2:46 PM, Jacob Ritorto via cctalk wrote: Hey all, Anyone know whether the Emulex UC04 works with the sd2scsi? Nope. This card expects pre common command set disks with non-embedded scsi adapters. In a bad old days, you had to

Re: uc04 + scsi2sd ?

2019-01-05 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 1/5/19 2:46 PM, Jacob Ritorto via cctalk wrote: > Hey all, > Anyone know whether the Emulex UC04 works with the sd2scsi? Nope. This card expects pre common command set disks with non-embedded scsi adapters. In a bad old days, you had to configure the scsi drive adapters with disk

Re: ISO - 386 or 486 system or cplt mobo

2019-01-05 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk
> On January 5, 2019 at 8:42 PM drlegendre via cctalk > wrote: > > > I'm interested in finding a 386 or slow 486 machine or moboj ust for > playing DOS games. Does anyone have such a thing sitting around, looking > for a home? > > Thanks in advance. I have a couple of 386sx motherboards

ISO - 386 or 486 system or cplt mobo

2019-01-05 Thread drlegendre via cctalk
I'm interested in finding a 386 or slow 486 machine or moboj ust for playing DOS games. Does anyone have such a thing sitting around, looking for a home? Thanks in advance.

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-05 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
Hi Jerry, > On Jan 5, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Jerry Weiss wrote: > > Along those lines if you have a spare disk pack, try putting RT11(FB,XM) on > the machine and give it a workout. This would exercise the machine a bit > more than MAINDECS, though not as much as RSTS. Yup, I have previously

Re: uc04 + scsi2sd ?

2019-01-05 Thread Jerry Weiss via cctalk
Hi Jake, I don't have a UC04, but its manual states its  Peripheral Interface is SCSI single ended.  The pinout is just like the UC07, except for terminator power.     Jerry On 1/5/19 4:46 PM, Jacob Ritorto via cctalk wrote: Hey all, Anyone know whether the Emulex UC04 works with the

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-05 Thread Jerry Weiss via cctalk
On 1/5/19 2:58 PM, Fritz Mueller via cctalk wrote: On Jan 5, 2019, at 8:07 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: From: Fritz Mueller All the CPU, FPU, KT11, KW11, and RK11 MAINDECS are passing just fine. Don't forget Vonada Maxim #12: "Diagnostics are highly efficient in finding solved

Re: KD11-E/EA microcode flow diagrams

2019-01-05 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On Jan 5, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > > The only difference I can see (I compared page by page, to see if each page > had the same microinstructions on it) is that on sheet 17; the last > microinstruction for RTI/RTT has been moved from 002 -> 744. (The actual >

KD11-E/EA microcode flow diagrams

2019-01-05 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
The copy of the KD11-EA engineering drawings (in the 11/34A Field Maintenance Print Set, MP-00190) on Bitsavers is missing most of the pages that hold the microcode flow diagrams. I have a set of the KD11-EA FMPS (MP-00192), which does have all the missing pages, which I can eventually scan.

Re: uc04 + scsi2sd ?

2019-01-05 Thread Richard Cini via cctalk
I use it with a UC07. Not sure what the difference in the controllers is thought. Get Outlook for iOS On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 5:46 PM -0500, "Jacob Ritorto via cctalk" wrote: Hey all, Anyone know whether the Emulex UC04

uc04 + scsi2sd ?

2019-01-05 Thread Jacob Ritorto via cctalk
Hey all, Anyone know whether the Emulex UC04 works with the sd2scsi? I just bought a uc04 and it won't talk to any of my old scsi disks, seems to think there's supposed to be a "controller" in between :\ yuck. thx jake P.S. While I'm at it, anyone know how to get UC04 to talk to directly to

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-05 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On Jan 5, 2019, at 8:07 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > >> From: Fritz Mueller >> All the CPU, FPU, KT11, KW11, and RK11 MAINDECS are passing just fine. > > Don't forget Vonada Maxim #12: > "Diagnostics are highly efficient in finding solved problems.” Well, there’s wisdom there,

Re: ELTRAN THE COMPILER ANY DOCS? (NOT THE SEMICONDUCTOR STUFF!)))

2019-01-05 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
Chuck! Many thanks! Update on  422 UNIVAC  docs . .  some kind   people have mailed in  docs and    things  they have  found related to this  422 UNIVAC ...  things are  shaping up! Many  thanks   to  all  these  folks- I  fear ever putting power to this  thing... so  may  parts to go  POP... I

off topic - capatob - saratov2 computer Russsian pdp8? HELP

2019-01-05 Thread Dr Iain Maoileoin via cctalk
Off topic, but looking for help and/or wisdom. If you visit https://www.scotnet.co.uk/iain/saratov / you will see some photos and wire-lists of work that I have started on the front panel of a Capatob 2. I plan to get

Re: ELTRAN THE COMPILER ANY DOCS? (NOT THE SEMICONDUCTOR STUFF!)))

2019-01-05 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
(COME ON SOCRATES ...  DO YOUR  THING!) In a message dated 1/5/2019 1:49:38 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: no is compiler a small one only 2 do loops allowed...ed# Sent from AOL Mobile MailOn Friday, January 4, 2019 Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:On 1/4/19 8:42 PM,

Re: ELTRAN THE COMPILER ANY DOCS? (NOT THE SEMICONDUCTOR STUFF!)))

2019-01-05 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
Since it was a 53-year old high-school project, I doubt that you're going to find much on it. However, see the post by Steve Schweda here: https://community.hpe.com/t5/Operating-System-OpenVMS/Left-shift-by-more-than-32-bits-gt-undefined-in-DEC-C/td-p/5054212 He may actually have some

Re: ELTRAN THE COMPILER ANY DOCS? (NOT THE SEMICONDUCTOR STUFF!)))

2019-01-05 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
Okay, I think I found the reference to it. It turns out that it was a high-school student's project entered in the "Fourth Annual Computer Programming Contest for Grades 7 to 12'. To quote: "The 1966 winner was William J. Elliott, a 12th grade student at West High School in Minneapolis. His

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-05 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Fritz Mueller > All the CPU, FPU, KT11, KW11, and RK11 MAINDECS are passing just fine. Don't forget Vonada Maxim #12: "Diagnostics are highly efficient in finding solved problems." :-) Noel

Re: OT? Upper limits of FSB

2019-01-05 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Sat, Jan 05, 2019 at 02:02:35AM -0500, Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk wrote: > [...] So here's the question. Is maximum fsb on standard, non-optical bus > still limited to a maximum of a couple of hundred megahertz, or did something > happen in the last decade or two that changed things

Re: OT? Upper limits of FSB

2019-01-05 Thread alan--- via cctalk
I'll assume you've read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front-side_bus Even though synchronization base clocks have remained low, parallel buses can run up in the low GHz range (sub 4) in terms of data line transitions per second with as many as 128 parallel wires in sync. It's not just

Re: ELTRAN THE COMPILER ANY DOCS? (NOT THE SEMICONDUCTOR STUFF!)))

2019-01-05 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
no is compiler a small one only 2 do loops allowed...ed# Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Friday, January 4, 2019 Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 1/4/19 8:42 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Would be  interesting when you find it. > Not necessarily "tiny" > Remember WATFOR?   (very impressive!)

Re: OT? Upper limits of FSB

2019-01-05 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 00:02 Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Apropos of nothing, I've been confuse for some time regarding maximum > clock rates for local bus. > > My admittedly old information, which comes from the 3rd ed. of "High > Performance Computer