Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 57, Issue 12

2019-06-12 Thread r.stricklin via cctalk
On Jun 12, 2019, at 10:47 AM, shad via cctech wrote: > maybe there's a short between RXD and TXD, or possibly the GND is > unconnected... > This could cause an echo on the cable, and while the console is echoing > too, this give an infinite repetition, only ended by the limited console >

looking for info on SIMMS

2019-06-12 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk
I'm sorting out a bunch of SIMMS and would like to identify the type of system they are from and the size. Does anyone know of any published lists that could help me ID them? So far I have found: MS02 MS02-AA 54-19813-AX Clearpoint D52/8MB Clearpoint 32MB Kingston KTV-5000/32 Kingston KTV

Re: M7264 Troubleshooting

2019-06-12 Thread Mister PDP via cctalk
I have been working on it for the past week, and I would say the I have my system 95% functional as of now. On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:05 AM Noel Chiappa wrote: > > unlike my M8017, it will actually respond to my inputs on my > > terminal. I'm pretty sure I may just have the card

Re: In search of an ancient IEEE-754 floating point test suite

2019-06-12 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 10:49 AM Phil Budne via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Have you looked at http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/software/ieee/ ? > Which says: > > "All C programs can also be compiled with old-style Kernighan and > Ritchie C. However, inasmuch as I now have

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 6/12/19 1:47 PM, alan--- via cctalk wrote: > > I especially appreciated he not only offered an opinion - his specific > ideas on where the boarder between RISC and CISC was - but then provided > an analysis of a bunch of processors based on those criteria and an > analysis of the outliers that

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk
Alan, > I especially appreciated he not only offered an opinion - his specific > ideas on where the boarder between RISC and CISC was - but then provided > an analysis of a bunch of processors based on those criteria and an > analysis of the outliers that challenged his criteria. It's a well

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread alan--- via cctalk
I especially appreciated he not only offered an opinion - his specific ideas on where the boarder between RISC and CISC was - but then provided an analysis of a bunch of processors based on those criteria and an analysis of the outliers that challenged his criteria. It's a well thought-out

Re: TurboDOS for S-100, IMS or L/F Technologies

2019-06-12 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I checked I do not have the OS disk, at least not in the obvious places. On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 1:30 PM Jonathan Haddox via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Sure, I will list out the hardware I'm planning on using. > IMS A645 Z-80 Processor > IMS A631 serial/parallel I/O > IMS A930

Re: Modems and external dialers.

2019-06-12 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Liam Proven > Now, my tablet and iPhone and Android phones need *at least* 3 or 4 > apps updating every day. ... The OS needs to be replaced every month > or two to fix all the flaws in it, and that's a gigabyte or so of > storage. > I am *furious* about this.

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk
> On June 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM Alan Perry via cctalk > wrote: > > > Ok. Here is a second thank you. An interesting read. > > On Jun 12, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk > > wrote: > > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 18:55, David wrote: > > > > > > I found it most interesting, thanks for

Re: Need a part for Sun 2/120.

2019-06-12 Thread Ryan Eisworth via cctalk
I think I may have a spare bracket, but I don't have the internal video cable to go to it. I have two 2/120 systems, but they were in the process of being dismantled when I rescued them so they came as a pile of parts. I only have one case (which is missing some sheet metal and the front panel)

Re: TurboDOS for S-100, IMS or L/F Technologies

2019-06-12 Thread Marvin Johnston via cctalk
If I read the archive properly, there is a copy of TurboDos 1.4x in Don Maslins archives on Bitsaver. The files included are: Name Format Description 143GENZIP TD 1.43 DO/GEN/PAR files for ADC 143KERN ZIP TD 1.43 Kernel files 143RELZIP TD 1.43 REL

Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 57, Issue 12

2019-06-12 Thread shadoooo via cctalk
Hello, maybe there's a short between RXD and TXD, or possibly the GND is unconnected... This could cause an echo on the cable, and while the console is echoing too, this give an infinite repetition, only ended by the limited console buffer size... Andrea

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 6/12/19 10:14 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > >> On Jun 12, 2019, at 11:59 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> Goes a bit over my head but may be of interest: >> >> https://userpages.umbc.edu/~vijay/mashey.on.risc.html > > Nice. Still reading through it. > > I like his

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
Ok. Here is a second thank you. An interesting read. > On Jun 12, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk > wrote: > >> On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 18:55, David wrote: >> >> I found it most interesting, thanks for sending out the link. > > Oh good. I'm glad to hear that. One "thank you" makes

Re: TurboDOS for S-100, IMS or L/F Technologies

2019-06-12 Thread Jonathan Haddox via cctalk
Sure, I will list out the hardware I'm planning on using. IMS A645 Z-80 Processor IMS A631 serial/parallel I/O IMS A930 Floppy controller IMS A465 64K RAM IMS 1100 Winchester Hard disk controller IMS 862 User Processor (Z80) IMS 1081 User Processor (186) IMS 1120 Tape Controller Earth Computers

Re: In search of an ancient IEEE-754 floating point test suite

2019-06-12 Thread Seth Morabito via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Seth Morabito via cctalk wrote: > I will definitely dig around in here. Moreover, I'll try to get it > compiled on the 3B2 emulator in its entirety so I can attempt to pass > verification. Unfortunately there is no obvious way to build the SVVS sources from

Re: In search of an ancient IEEE-754 floating point test suite

2019-06-12 Thread Seth Morabito via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Phil Budne wrote: > Have you looked at http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/software/ieee/ ? > Which says: > > "All C programs can also be compiled with old-style Kernighan and > Ritchie C. However, inasmuch as I now have access to only one such > old

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 12, 2019, at 11:59 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk > wrote: > > Goes a bit over my head but may be of interest: > > https://userpages.umbc.edu/~vijay/mashey.on.risc.html Nice. Still reading through it. I like his definition of RISC. It captures the key points. Interesting that a

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 18:55, David wrote: > > I found it most interesting, thanks for sending out the link. Oh good. I'm glad to hear that. One "thank you" makes it worth the while. :-) -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus:

Computer Reset in Dallas has re-opened... temporarily

2019-06-12 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
AIUI the owner is now in a nursing home. Thanks to Justin Scott and a group of enthusiasts, rather than sending all the stock to the scrappers, the store is occasionally re-opening in an effort to sell as much as possible to collectors. It's here:

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread David via cctalk
I found it most interesting, thanks for sending out the link. David > On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk > wrote: > > Goes a bit over my head but may be of interest: > > https://userpages.umbc.edu/~vijay/mashey.on.risc.html > > -- > Liam Proven - Profile:

Re: In search of an ancient IEEE-754 floating point test suite

2019-06-12 Thread Phil Budne via cctalk
Have you looked at http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/software/ieee/ ? Which says: "All C programs can also be compiled with old-style Kernighan and Ritchie C. However, inasmuch as I now have access to only one such old compiler, with more than 35 others supporting 1989 Standard C, I

List search option?

2019-06-12 Thread jesse cypress-tech.com via cctalk
Is there a list search option on the archives? As in if I wanted to find a relevant thread for part number ABC123 I could search that somewhere?

Re: List search option?

2019-06-12 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Jun 12, 2019, at 7:13 AM, jesse cypress-tech.com via cctech > wrote: > > Is there a list search option on the archives? As in if I wanted to find > a relevant thread for part number ABC123 I could search that somewhere? A better question might be, is there a complete archive of the

wanted - HP 1000 series boards - 12103L and 12016A

2019-06-12 Thread jesse cypress-tech.com via cctalk
Hi, I'm looking for some older HP 1000 A class parts and wanted to see if anyone had them... below is what I need... If you have them, let me know. 12103L  4MB Memory Board 12103-66002 4MB Memory Board 12103-69102 4MB Memory Board 12016A  SCSI Interface Board 12016-69102 SCSI Interface Board

Re: In search of an ancient IEEE-754 floating point test suite

2019-06-12 Thread Seth Morabito via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > is there anything in > http://bitsavers.org/bits/ATT/SysV_r3.0_SV_Ver_Suite_Source_Tape_1987 ? Wow wow wow, thanks for pointing this out (and for dumping the tape) Al. That's a great find, I wasn't aware it was on BitSavers! I

Re: In search of an ancient IEEE-754 floating point test suite

2019-06-12 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 6/11/19 5:50 PM, Seth Morabito via cctalk wrote: > One of the projects I've been working on recently is adding floating point > accelerator emulation to the SIMH 3B2/400 emulator. I _think_ I've done > reasonably well, in that the simulator passes all of the accelerator > diagnostics that

One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
Goes a bit over my head but may be of interest: https://userpages.umbc.edu/~vijay/mashey.on.risc.html -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK:

Re: VAX ODT console fault

2019-06-12 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 06/12/2019 03:41 AM, r.stricklin via cctalk wrote: If I install a spare KA630-A and 8 MB memory board, I get a similar fault where chevrons repeat to infinity. There are a couple possibilities. If the baud rate is set wrong, the VAX could be replying to some gibberish at wrong baud rate,

Re: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?

2019-06-12 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Liam Proven > This is what makes a PDP-11/35 or PDP-11/40 tick. It turns out to be > 441 ICs. I wondered if it was fair to list the DEC 23B00A2, etc that hold the ucode as separate parts; they might have been a bunch of 256x4 PROMs, and the separate part numbers were just for

Re: VAX ODT console fault

2019-06-12 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 5:13 AM r.stricklin via cctalk wrote: > > On Jun 12, 2019, at 1:25 AM, r.stricklin wrote: > > > I have a BA23 VAX of unknown provenance, which tonight I moved from the > project backlog to the workbench. It comes up and passes selftest. But any > key I press on the console

Re: VAX ODT console fault

2019-06-12 Thread r.stricklin via cctalk
On Jun 12, 2019, at 1:25 AM, r.stricklin wrote: > I have a BA23 VAX of unknown provenance, which tonight I moved from the > project backlog to the workbench. It comes up and passes selftest. But any > key I press on the console terminal is repeated a couple dozen times (to the > limit of the

VAX ODT console fault

2019-06-12 Thread r.stricklin via cctalk
Folks; I have a BA23 VAX of unknown provenance, which tonight I moved from the project backlog to the workbench. It comes up and passes selftest. But any key I press on the console terminal is repeated a couple dozen times (to the limit of the input line length?). This makes it impossible to

Re: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?

2019-06-12 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 01:42, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > IFF your old post had a solution! (rather than being an unresolved > query) https://xkcd.com/979/ There are a couple of things now where I know that if I try to find sources, I'll find myself. The details of how id Software's game

Re: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?

2019-06-12 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 at 23:23, ben via cctalk wrote: > > As froghorn leghorn once said. "That was a Joke son" ... Foghorn. Because of his loud voice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foghorn_Leghorn A foghorn is a big loud, well, horn... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foghorn And a Leghorn is a

Re: In search of an ancient IEEE-754 floating point test suite

2019-06-12 Thread Tor Arntsen via cctalk
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 09:55, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: > > On 2019-06-11 20:50, Seth Morabito via cctalk wrote: [..] > > I'd like to compile a set of IEEE-754 tests on the 3B2. Unfortunately, the > > only compiler I have ready access to on the 3B2 is AT's pre-ANSI C > > compiler, so

Re: In search of an ancient IEEE-754 floating point test suite

2019-06-12 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk
On 2019-06-11 20:50, Seth Morabito via cctalk wrote: > One of the projects I've been working on recently is adding floating point > accelerator emulation to the SIMH 3B2/400 emulator. I _think_ I've done > reasonably well, in that the simulator passes all of the accelerator > diagnostics that