> I wouldn't consider this a Personal Computer.
THIS THREAD NEEDS TO DIE
Chuck,
I wouldn't consider this a Personal Computer. It has some severe
limitations. There are no graphics, only one line of display, no sound,
no expandability. It is more of a front end to talk to another system.
This computer is just too limited.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/26/20
On 11/26/19 7:17 PM, Richard Pope wrote:
> Chuck,
> I don't know anything about this system. I don't consider Minis and
> MainFrames to be Personal Computers. It must fit in a small room, run on
> a 120VAC 5Amp service, and not require 3 tons of AC to keep it cool to
> fit in to the Personal Co
> As far as multi-page documents, it seems as if my scanner (or its
> software) only does uncompressed TIFF. At bitsaver's recommended 400
> dpi, that means about 4M per page.
If you're on unix of some sort, the libtiff tools can convert these
uncompressed images to G4. The command you'd use woul
On 11/26/19 7:10 PM, Alexandre Souza wrote:
> Al, is there a "standard" you would recommend us mere mortals to scan and
> archive docs?
I've moved to 600dpi bi-tonal tiffs for all new text work since that is the
maximum
resolution my Panasonic KV-S3065 scanner supports. I use a flatbed at 300
On 11/26/2019 8:52 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:
>
> I am going through stuff in my office and found that I have some SCSI
> device docs that aren't on bitsavers. As far as multi-page documents, it
> seems as if my scanner (or its software) only does uncompressed TIFF. At
> bitsaver's recommend
> Sure you meant CCW from one o'clock?
Sorry, you're looking into the end of the key, and this makes sense. My
bad.
De
> I found another reference. different numbers slightly.
These are just rounded from four places to three. Since the step is
.0155, the tolerances are probably a couple of thousandths anyway.
> What I have measured so far. This starts with the index up, first
> slot to the right, going CCW.
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
No, this was the first personal computer...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tektronix_4050#/media/File:Tektronix_4051_ad_April_1976.jpg
No, the first personal computer was any machine, including IBM 360, if you
could get access to it after midn
Randy,
I will argue that that is an engineering computer and not a
personal computer. No color and probably no sound except for beeps.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/26/2019 9:26 PM, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
No, this was the first personal computer...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
Word Perfect and the Vista series was also available for the Amiga!
GOD Bless and Thanks,
Manx ("Aztec C Compiler") and WordPervert made efforts to expand
into ALL platorms.
A couple of times, MY booth at Comdex was next to WordPervert.
No, this was the first personal computer...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tektronix_4050#/media/File:Tektronix_4051_ad_April_1976.jpg
From: cctalk on behalf of Mike Stein via cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:15 PM
To: Fred Cisin ; General Discussion: On
On 11/26/19 7:05 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 11/26/19 6:52 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:
I am going through stuff in my office and found that I have some SCSI
device docs that aren't on bitsavers. As far as multi-page documents, it
seems as if my scanner (or its software) only do
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote:
" ... like to write their own version"
It's a good thing no one else ever wrote their own version of history ...
oh, wait, _everyone_ does that! They once called it "To the victor goes
the spoils (of victory)."
"History is written by the victor
Mike,
Word Perfect and the Vista series was also available for the Amiga!
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/26/2019 9:15 PM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Fred Cisin via cctalk"
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
Sent: Tuesday, Novembe
Fred,
Agreed!
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/26/2019 9:16 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Good point.
Some companies that COULD HAVE been the leaders made great inventions
and/or engineering, and then fumbled the marketing.
I'm thinking that Xerox Parc could be said to have "invented
Chuck,
I don't know anything about this system. I don't consider Minis and
MainFrames to be Personal Computers. It must fit in a small room, run on
a 120VAC 5Amp service, and not require 3 tons of AC to keep it cool to
fit in to the Personal Computer definition.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
- Original Message -
From: "Fred Cisin via cctalk"
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: First Internet message and ...
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, TeoZ via cctalk wrote:
>> The only reason Apple sold so many Apple II'
" ... like to write their own version"
It's a good thing no one else ever wrote their own version of history ...
oh, wait, _everyone_ does that! They once called it "To the victor goes
the spoils (of victory)." Jealously will get you nowhere, by the way.
Inferior products and services can only b
Good point.
Some companies that COULD HAVE been the leaders made great inventions
and/or engineering, and then fumbled the marketing.
I'm thinking that Xerox Parc could be said to have "invented" the next
generation of personal computers, but did they ever cash in on that?
I can visualize a
Fred,
I started with the VIC. I then got a C-64. From there I bought a
C-128 and then the A-1000. I migrated to a A-2000 that I then upgraded
many times. I finally got an A-4000T 040/25MHz system which I upgraded
to 50MHz and 128MB of ram. It also had 4MB of chip ram and 8MB of Fast
ram. I
Al, is there a "standard" you would recommend us mere mortals to scan and
archive docs?
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Em qua., 27 de nov. de 2019 às 01:07, Al Kossow via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> escre
you can ftp the uncompressed files to me and I'll take care of the conversions
On 11/26/19 6:52 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:
>
> I am going through stuff in my office and found that I have some SCSI device
> docs that aren't on bitsavers. As far as
> multi-page documents, it seems as if my s
On 11/26/19 6:52 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:
>
> I am going through stuff in my office and found that I have some SCSI
> device docs that aren't on bitsavers. As far as multi-page documents, it
> seems as if my scanner (or its software) only does uncompressed TIFF. At
> bitsaver's recommended
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Richard Pope wrote:
You are correct in your assessment. Which was first? The Altair and IMSAI
had been available for years but you almost had to be an engineer to build
them and use them. So were they first? I don't believe so because the average
idiot couldn't get them
On 11/26/19 6:49 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
> Fred,
> You are correct in your assessment. Which was first? The Altair and
> IMSAI had been available for years but you almost had to be an engineer
> to build them and use them. So were they first?
So how do you class the 1973 MCM/70? N
On 11/26/19 6:43 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
> But the stange thing now, all the 8 bitters are making a come back
> like the z80 with CP/M (USA) and the 6502 with BBC Micro (UK).
> What ever happened to all the wierd early transitor computers that were
> like 48+ bits and 4K of core memory hit the s
I would make a strong argument that DEC invented the PC: Twice actually.
The PDT11/150 is a pretty amazing system: 64k of memory, serial port,
printer port, RT11 operating system and if I recall correctly someone
wrote a version of Visicalc and a nice word processor on it as a
demonstration.
I am going through stuff in my office and found that I have some SCSI
device docs that aren't on bitsavers. As far as multi-page documents, it
seems as if my scanner (or its software) only does uncompressed TIFF. At
bitsaver's recommended 400 dpi, that means about 4M per page.
What should I
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, TeoZ via cctalk wrote:
The only reason Apple sold so many Apple II's was because some software
designer came out with Visicalc.
Dan Bricklin and Bob Frankston ("Software Arts")
They sold it through "Personal Software", who became "VisiCorp"
http://www.bricklin.com/history/
Fred,
You are correct in your assessment. Which was first? The Altair and
IMSAI had been available for years but you almost had to be an engineer
to build them and use them. So were they first? I don't believe so
because the average idiot couldn't get them to work. They were too much
troub
On 11/26/2019 7:09 PM, TeoZ via cctalk wrote:
The only reason Apple sold so many Apple II's was because some software
designer came out with Visicalc. So many machines were sold that they
ended up cheap enough and useful enough to end up in schools and homes
where before they were only sold t
On 11/26/2019 2:40 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote:
For Chicago/ACE, cut depths from 1 to 8 respectively are:
0.0155" 0.0310" 0.0465" 0.0620" 0.0775" 0.093" 0.1085" 0.1240"
For Fort/GEM, depths are numbered 0 to 7, but the measurements are the
same as for Chicago/ACE.
Looking into the end
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Richard Pope wrote:
Fred,
I'm not stating that IBM invented the PC. I am stating that IBM says it
invented the PC. Yeah right. I actually believe that it was Commodore that
invented the Personal Computer for they were the first company to come out
with an affordable hom
On 11/26/2019 12:03 AM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote:
> Hi all --
>
> We've wanted to run TSS/8 on one of our PDP-8 systems at LCM+L for a long
> time now, and while we contemplated either (a) restoring our RF08 or (b)
> building an RF08 emulator, I decided it might be fun to investigate a third
Patents are generally used to document who invented what first. Commercial
success building on old research and patents tends to be what is remembered.
So what if some guy in 1761 heated up a wire until it glowed releasing
light, it took many people over a long time to come up with a usable che
Fred,
I'm not stating that IBM invented the PC. I am stating that IBM
says it invented the PC. Yeah right. I actually believe that it was
Commodore that invented the Personal Computer for they were the first
company to come out with an affordable home computer system that was
very flexible
And IBM invented the Personal Computer.
No.
We already established that Steve Jobs did that. Please pay attention.
Where do you suppose he picked up such heretical revisionist ideas?
> And IBM invented the Personal Computer.
No.
We already established that Steve Jobs did that. Please pay attention.
--
Will
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I figure the record will finally be set straight after all of the
people involved at time cited are dead.
And Edison invented the incandescent lamp.
Light bulbs, automobiles, personal computers were all ideas that were
OBVIOUS and inevitabl
Will,
And IBM invented the Personal Computer.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/26/2019 7:25 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
You mean like how history says Columbus discovered America...
And Edison invented the incandescent lamp.
And Digital invented the minicomputer.
...we are j
> > You mean like how history says Columbus discovered America...
>
> And Edison invented the incandescent lamp.
And Digital invented the minicomputer.
...we are just as guilty...
--
Will
On 11/26/19 12:48 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> On 11/26/19 1:32 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>> I figure the record will finally be set straight after all of the people
>> involved at time cited are dead.
>>
>> Such is history.
>>
>
> You mean like how history says Columbus discove
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
I didn't know what to look for for a cutter, thanks, Fred.
There are much better ones, for a price.
The HPC TKM90 is better. ~$350
The Herty Gerty? is better. ~$380
HPC Duplicode ~$1000?
The KLOM is the cheapest by far.
I don't see a frequen
Fred said
> For $60 or $70 on eBay, you can get the KLOM tubular key cutter. It is
> similar, but not the same as the more expensive HPC TKM-90 "Pocket Cut-Up"
>
>
> With a little careful work, you CAN cut them with a drill press.
The barrel key sounds like something that could be done in OpenSCA
On 11/26/2019 4:00 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
For $60 or $70 on eBay, you can get the KLOM tubular key cutter. It
is similar, but not the same as the more expensive HPC TKM-90 "Pocket
Cut-Up"
With a little careful work, you CAN cut them with a drill press.
Thanks everyone, Fred, R
For $60 or $70 on eBay, you can get the KLOM tubular key cutter. It is
similar, but not the same as the more expensive HPC TKM-90 "Pocket Cut-Up"
With a little careful work, you CAN cut them with a drill press.
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Richard Cini via cctalk wrote:
I think there was a long thread about this in the DEC
section of the VCFED site. Sticky, so at the top of the forum.
and here.
look since 2011 for subject lines containing "XX2247", and/or "Ace Key"
I have some of those posts,
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
I posted on the discord channel looking for information on measuring the keys
(ACE cylinder locks) for duplication.
I'm including a quote from a post by Jay on the subject. I need to get the
information on measuring the depths of the cuts, as
> I need to get the information on measuring the depths of the cuts, as
> the postings I've found don't mention how the depths are measured for
> each value.
For Chicago/ACE, cut depths from 1 to 8 respectively are:
0.0155" 0.0310" 0.0465" 0.0620" 0.0775" 0.093" 0.1085" 0.1240"
For Fort/GEM,
I think there was a long thread about this in the DEC section
of the VCFED site. Sticky, so at the top of the forum.
Get Outlook for iOS
On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 5:16 PM -0500, "jim stephens via cctalk"
wrote:
I posted on the discord ch
I posted on the discord channel looking for information on measuring the
keys (ACE cylinder locks) for duplication.
I'm including a quote from a post by Jay on the subject. I need to get
the information on measuring the depths of the cuts, as the postings
I've found don't mention how the dept
I have particular interest in early 4004 code. Intel is an empty box. It was
just by luck that someone saved many of the original films of the 4004 chips.
As for code, I've got a few bits and piece but little original source. I did
find some stuff searching the Naval Post Graduate schools librar
On 11/26/19 1:32 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> I figure the record will finally be set straight after all of the people
> involved at time cited are dead.
>
> Such is history.
>
You mean like how history says Columbus discovered America
and Marconi invented radio. :-)
bill
It is such a shame that in the "information age", we have lost so much of the
information. It doesn't help when we have people like Jobs that like to write their own
version.
It is even worse when companies think it is a law suite risk to keep
information more than a year. It is all lost.
"The
On 11/26/19 11:40 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, dwight via cctalk wrote:
It is such a shame that in the "information age", we have lost so much
of the information. It doesn't help when we have people like Jobs that
like to write their own version.
As I understand it
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, dwight via cctalk wrote:
It is such a shame that in the "information age", we have lost so much
of the information. It doesn't help when we have people like Jobs that
like to write their own version.
As I understand it, he has personally stopped doing that.
It is even wor
It is such a shame that in the "information age", we have lost so much of the
information. It doesn't help when we have people like Jobs that like to write
their own version.
It is even worse when companies think it is a law suite risk to keep
information more than a year. It is all lost.
"The i
I figure the record will finally be set straight after all of the people
involved at time cited are dead.
Such is history.
--Chuck
Josh,
THANK YOU (!) for the conversion of TSS from RF08 to RK05! I have a PDP-8/E
with and RK05 and it will be fun to get TSS/8 running again.
I had TSS/8 running years ago - on my PDP-12 and RF08 (w/2-disks!).
Unfortunately, I donated both to the CHM in the mid-90's - and they've been
sitting in
Ooops, editing error:
> Although one could build a system which has aggregatable addresses, used
> for path selection, but hid them from the hosts, and used an 'invisible'
> mapping system to translate from them to the aggregatable 'true'
addresses.
Should have been "to translate fro
> From: Brent Hilpert
> Roughly, IP took care of a common addressing scheme and a common
> packet presentation, TCP took care of end-to-end flow control.
Yes on IP, but TCP's main function is reliability - much of the mechanism of
TCP (sequence numbers, acknowledgements, timeouts and
"Since 2016, the AP stylebook now recommends lowercasing internet
and web. Whenever you refer to the Internet as a proper noun
(i.e. you are referring to the World Wide Web), then Internet
should be capitalized. If you are referring to a general network
of computers, then you can use the
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