Re: Exploring early GUIs

2020-09-21 Thread Chris Hanson via cctalk
On Sep 21, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Richard Pope wrote: > >The Amiga 1000 with AmigaDos and Workbench was released in late 1985. > AmigaDos is based on Unix and Workbench is based on X-windows. Neither of these claims is correct. ā€” Chris

Re: Exploring early GUIs

2020-09-21 Thread Richard Pope via cctalk
Hello all, The Amiga 1000 with AmigaDos and Workbench was released in late 1985. AmigaDos is based on Unix and Workbench is based on X-windows. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 9/21/2020 11:24 PM, Chris Hanson via cctalk wrote: On Sep 21, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:

Re: Exploring early GUIs

2020-09-21 Thread Chris Hanson via cctalk
On Sep 21, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > > Almost looks like a SunView ancestor. Iā€™m pretty sure SunWindows/SunView predates MGR by 2-3 years. ā€” Chris

Re: Exploring early GUIs

2020-09-21 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Sep 21, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk > wrote: > >>> MGR was not the Unix PC's native GUI environment; I'm not sure what that >>> was named. MGR was an open source environment that could be installed on >>> the Unix PC. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ManaGeR > >

Re: Exploring early GUIs

2020-09-21 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 9/21/20 6:38 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: MGR was not the Unix PC's native GUI environment; I'm not sure what that was named. MGR was an open source environment that could be installed on the Unix PC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ManaGeR Almost looks like a SunView ancestor.

Re: Exploring early GUIs

2020-09-21 Thread Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
> > MGR was not the Unix PC's native GUI environment; I'm not sure what that > > was named. MGR was an open source environment that could be installed on > > the Unix PC. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ManaGeR Almost looks like a SunView ancestor. --

Re: Exploring early GUIs

2020-09-21 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 9/21/20 4:11 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 3:24 PM Mike Begley via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: There's also the windowing system used on the AT 3B1 (AKA Unix PC, AK PC7300), which I think was called MGR. It may have also been ported to other systems as

Re: Exploring early GUIs

2020-09-21 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 3:24 PM Mike Begley via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > There's also the windowing system used on the AT 3B1 (AKA Unix PC, AK > PC7300), which I think was called MGR. It may have also been ported to > other systems as well. When I had one of these machines it

Re: Exploring early GUIs

2020-09-21 Thread Michael Kerpan via cctalk
Well, CD images are available on the Web for both IRIX 5.3 and 6.5. Various manuals, including installation guides seem to be available at http://irix7.com/techpubs.html As long as you have a CD drive (which you would have needed to install Linux), you should be good to go, though certain bits

Re: Osborne 1 keyboard repair?

2020-09-21 Thread Patrik Schindler via cctalk
Hello Al, Am 21.09.2020 um 14:08 schrieb Al Kossow via cctalk : > you might be able to change something if you can inject a solvent into the > side of the switch by drilling through the top layer And then, the solvent is meant to stay there? I had bad experiences with "put magic fluid in

Re: Osborne 1 keyboard repair?

2020-09-21 Thread Pete Turnbull via cctalk
On 21/09/2020 12:41, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: The problem I am seeing is that 3 keys ("h", "j" and "y") are permanently pressed. I'm not familiar with this keyboard, so despite having fixed lots of other types, what I'm about to write is no more than musing and may be inapplicable

Re: Osborne 1 keyboard repair?

2020-09-21 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 9/21/20 6:41 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: I cleaned the now exposed membrane using Isopropyl alcohol - no change in resistance. I don't think you've really exposed anything, have you? The membrane is going to be three layers - a bottom layer with traces on the upper side, a spacer

Re: Osborne 1 keyboard repair?

2020-09-21 Thread Patrik Schindler via cctalk
Hello Tom, Am 21.09.2020 um 13:41 schrieb Tom Hunter via cctalk : > Has anyone got experience repairing or restoring this type of membrane > keyboard mechanism used in the Osborne 1 and probably in other keyboards too? Not with the Osbornes, but with others. This kind is cheaper to manufacture

Re: Osborne 1 keyboard repair?

2020-09-21 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 9/21/20 4:41 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: I cleaned the now exposed membrane using Isopropyl alcohol - no change in resistance. https://deskthority.net/wiki/Membrane_keyboard#Spring_over_membrane you exposed the top of three sheets. the contamination/deformation is between the two

Osborne 1 keyboard repair?

2020-09-21 Thread Tom Hunter via cctalk
I am trying to figure out if it is possible to repair a Osborne 1 keyboard. The keyboard is made by "Oak Switch Systems" and the type is FTM or "Full Travel Membrane". The problem I am seeing is that 3 keys ("h", "j" and "y") are permanently pressed. I did some experiments with the "h" key. I

Re: Exploring early GUIs

2020-09-21 Thread John Many Jars via cctalk
I have an SGI Indy that some idiot (tm) (okay, it was me) put Linux on. Anyone have any way to undo my mistake? (: I'd like to get the thing running properly again, if it even still powers up. I imagine the HD is probably knackered by now anyway. On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 20:30, Ray Jewhurst via

Re: Exploring early GUIs

2020-09-21 Thread Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
Noel Chiappa wrote: > > it was AI rather than MC. As I'm sure you know, AI had the Rubin > > 10-11 interface > > Really? (I expect you're correct, mind.) I just remember one day MC > wasn't running as normal, and I was told it was because CHEOPS was in > some tournament, and MC had been taken