Re: Plessy core memory

2022-01-09 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Sigh, shouldn't try to type when I'm this tired. Female 9-pin (to plug into the BA11-D) to male 15-pin (for the DD11-C/D to plug into). *nod* I'll put the system aside again for awhile. But if I come across a DD11-C or D I'll go back to work on it. In the "Go to Unibus hell" category I DO hav

Re: Plessy core memory

2022-01-09 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> an adapter cable to go from a 9-pin male (shell; female pins) to a > 15-pin female (shell; male pins) Sigh, shouldn't try to type when I'm this tired. Female 9-pin (to plug into the BA11-D) to male 15-pin (for the DD11-C/D to plug into). Noel

Re: Plessy core memory

2022-01-09 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Chris Zach > the DD11-B is a MUD backplane No, it's SPC; other sources, e.g. http://www.chdickman.com/pdp11/Notes/DD11.shtml agree. So if you have a DD11-B, you must have a BA11-D, with the 9-pin power plugs. The best thing to do is get a DD11-C or -D, and build an adapter c

Re: Plessy core memory

2022-01-09 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/9/22 4:04 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: I'm working on my pdp11/10 getting it back together. One problem I think I have is that the secondary memory (a Plessy 700101-100) may be shorting the -15 line for some reason. Working on it, but does anyone have a manual or anything like that fo

Re: Plessy core memory

2022-01-09 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Hm. So the DD11-B backplane does not appear to be SPC/MUD. Instead it seems to handle 4 SPC devices along with a DF11 "communication line adapter" in the middle AB slots. Oi. That brings up an interesting question: How did this system ever work in the first place? I know I ran it with two of

Re: Plessy core memory

2022-01-09 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
If you have a 10-1/2" box, you can mount a MUD backplane - but you might still have an issue because the older BA11-D boxes use the old 9-pin power connectors, and the MUD backplanes (DD11-C, -D, etc) all use the newer 15-pin ones. There we go. I have an 11/05 in a BA11-D box with a DD11-B expan

Re: Plessy core memory

2022-01-09 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Chris Zach > the secondary memory (a Plessy 700101-100) may be shorting the -15 line > for some reason. Working on it, but does anyone have a manual or > anything like that for this kind of memory board? I've got a Plessey core memory manual somewhere, but I can't find it,

Re: Plessy core memory

2022-01-09 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Worst case I guess I could put a broken MS11-PL board in and set it for 16k start. It's got bad memory chips on it but I think the first 16k were good. And as a bonus it can work in both a +15 *AND* a +12 volt Unibus (yeah, the 11/24 used +12 on the +15 lines. No idea what was wrong with DEC)

Re: Plessy core memory

2022-01-09 Thread Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk
I'm sorry, on the memories, I went to look at my old notebook form that era, but it seems some pages have fallen out over time :-) I think a friend has an 11/05 or 10, I will ask him for its configuration and see if that will help. cheers, Nigel Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ

Re: Plessy core memory

2022-01-09 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Probably. It's a 1973 version, the DD11-B is a MUD backplane, but it seems to only have power plugs for +5,+15,-15. Looking at the MUD specs I see there are backplane pins assigned for +20 and -5 so I might be able to cobble something together. That's one of the fun things about Unibus: There

Re: Plessy core memory

2022-01-09 Thread Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk
I would assume that your 11/10 has the suffix -NC.  There were two versions, the -NC used -15V four wire memory, and the later -SC used +20V three-wire memory. The +20V was provided by a MUD slot (Modified Unibus Device) and there was usually a big red sticker in it warning to not plug a modul

Plessy core memory

2022-01-09 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
I'm working on my pdp11/10 getting it back together. One problem I think I have is that the secondary memory (a Plessy 700101-100) may be shorting the -15 line for some reason. Working on it, but does anyone have a manual or anything like that for this kind of memory board? Alternately, what k

Re: VAX 780 on eBay

2022-01-09 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk
On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 2:56 AM Noel Chiappa via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > This: > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/275084268137 > > ... > > Anyway I fully expect it to go ... for a _lot_ more than the opening > price. > > Much to my surprise, it didn't sell at all (a

Re: VAX 780 on eBay

2022-01-09 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/9/22 8:17 AM, P Gebhardt via cctalk wrote: I'm rather puzzled that an -11/70 will sell for north of $10K, while a /780 can't fetch $5K. I can only guess that PDP-11'S are seen as more important in the collector world (even though the BSD work, which had such a huge impact on UNIX, which has

Re: The Portable C Compiler (pcc)

2022-01-09 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Tom Hunter > The original "Portable C Compiler" by S. C. Johnson (also known as > "pcc") had functional support for the Data General Nova. Could somebody > please point me to this original implementation? > ... > I am looking for the original implementation - not an

Re: The Portable C Compiler (pcc)

2022-01-09 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk
> On 01/09/2022 9:10 AM Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > > > The original "Portable C Compiler" by S. C. Johnson (also known as "pcc") > had functional support for the Data General Nova. Could somebody please > point me to this original implementation? > > There is a modern C99 version of this

The Portable C Compiler (pcc)

2022-01-09 Thread Tom Hunter via cctalk
The original "Portable C Compiler" by S. C. Johnson (also known as "pcc") had functional support for the Data General Nova. Could somebody please point me to this original implementation? There is a modern C99 version of this compiler maintained by Anders Magnusson at: http://pcc.ludd.ltu.se/ Unf

Re: VAX 780 on eBay

2022-01-09 Thread P Gebhardt via cctalk
>I'm rather puzzled that an -11/70 will sell for north of $10K, while a /780 >can't fetch $5K. I can only guess that PDP-11'S are seen as more important in >the collector world (even though the BSD work, which had such a huge impact on >UNIX, which has now - in the form of Linux - taken over the wo

Re: VAX 780 on eBay

2022-01-09 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> This: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/275084268137 > ... > Anyway I fully expect it to go ... for a _lot_ more than the opening price. Much to my surprise, it didn't sell at all (although a number of other lots, likely from this machine, did.) I'm rather puzzled that an -11/70 w