On 2022-10-18 3:36 p.m., Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
Single package, multiple die. Same goes for F11.
And the MV1. And the MVII. And the 8200, CVAX, Rigel/etc
I think the NVAX was on a single chip
Ah, I didn't know there were so many multi-dies in the range! I wonder
if anyone
I like how having the old hardware gives physical "witness" and "evidence"
that all the old stories are true - people did invent and create these
things, they didn't just appear from aliens.
Indeed. I am teaching a security class on TCP/IP and I recently got my
AT 7300 PC up and running with
I had a thought once that the ultimate computer museum would be in orbit.
Actually, I think there was some Star Trek episode along those lines (not
the one where Data was captured to be put into a museum, but something
similar).
I like how having the old hardware gives physical "witness" and
Wow, they even copied the DEC car handles of the flip-chip style!
Always interesting. You never want to clone so closely you wind up
cloning unintended "features". Like let's say there was a floating point
bug that could be triggered to cause a system crash if very unusual
things happened.
On 10/18/22 09:18, David Gesswein via cctalk wrote:
On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 09:45:30AM +0200, Holm Tiffe wrote:
There wasn't much demand to build an PDP8, 6 or 10, the 11 was much more
intersting. BTW: As far as I heard some of the russian ICBM's using
computers build from the more advanched
On Oct 18, 2022, at 7:42 AM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk
wrote:
>
>> Don't be pedantic. You know what I mean.
>> Anyway, in the US, there are *significant* barriers to cross for
>> people taking your land.
>
> And for the younger crowd it's very expensive now. Not like the old days
> (assuming
> On Oct 17, 2022, at 7:39 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> . . . and there is the point where it crosses over
> from you owning the collection,
> to the collection owning you.
This is a very accurate statement. How many of us have grown to have a
love/hate relationship with our
I can actually advise on the formation of some sort of organization (a
foundation or ministry is the best kind, but a private trust is also a good
option) into which ownership of one's collection can go, with instructions
for continuity of the collection (or dispersal) after one's demise.
If
Hi Rich.
As an aside, are there any updates as to the fate of the LCM collection?
I'd heard sordid rumors about its dispersal but would appreciate definitive
word from a reliable source (i.e. yourself) to the extent you're able to
discuss it.
Thanks.
Sellam
On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 2:43 PM Rich
> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 23:08:23 -0500
> From: Steve Lewis via cctalk
> I recall the story by Paul Allen - they had developed a BASIC, but didn't
> have a boot loader to load it, and Paul wrote one while on the airplane to
> MOS.
MITS, not MOS.
Messrs. Allen, Gates, and Davidoff wrote their
On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 12:12:16PM -0500, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
> At 09:15 AM 10/18/2022, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote:
> >>Own your land.
> >>Museum or individual.
> >
> >You never own your land. They can always take it.
>
> Far more probable than someone taking your property? Wanting
Single package, multiple die. Same goes for F11.
And the MV1. And the MVII. And the 8200, CVAX, Rigel/etc
I think the NVAX was on a single chip
etc.. which are all Single Chip PDP11's. DEC's only Single Chip CPU was
the T11.
J11?
KDF11?
I think the point has been made. :-)
C
All you need is a the local government to declare eminent domain and
greater user for the public good.
Arthur Dent's home, and planet, were bulldozed to make way for bypasses.
Don't pay your taxes and it goes quick.
-Original Message-
From: William Donzelli via cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 10:36 AM
To: Ethan O'Toole ; William Donzelli via cctalk
Cc: William Donzelli
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012
Don't be
Hi Everyone,
I'm Daryl and I'm with the Hewlett-Packard Company Archives. David Collins
forwarded your email to me in the event that the archives might be interested
in acquiring this impressive collection that is listed below.
I'm going to forward this to our archives team to have them give
On 10/18/22 12:21, Anders Nelson via cctalk wrote:
I went to the Large Scale Systems Museum in New Kensington, PA (USA) a few
weeks ago. I've never seen such a large collection outside of the CHM in
Mountain View, CA (USA) but I've also only seen three collections haha.
The LSSM's main area was
On 10/18/22 11:43, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
All you need is a the local government to declare eminent domain and
greater user for the public good.
As the people and businesses along I-83 in Harrisburg, PA will
gladly tell you. :-)
bill
All you need is a the local government to declare eminent domain and
greater user for the public good.
On 10/18/2022 9:36 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
Don't be pedantic. You know what I mean.
Anyway, in the US, there are *significant* barriers to cross for
people taking your land.
At 09:15 AM 10/18/2022, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote:
>>Own your land.
>>Museum or individual.
>
>You never own your land. They can always take it.
Far more probable than someone taking your property? Wanting to give it up.
Needing to give it up. Or your death, and then someone else wants and
I have seen system source both the museum part and the warehouse in the
back. The rhode island.museum and warehouse is probably larger. Not that
system source is not substantial.
Bill
Ohhh yea, you might of visited System Source before the expansion. Did you
see the Cray 1? There is the Cray
On 2022-10-18 10:57 a.m., Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
On Oct 18, 2022, at 10:01 AM, Toby Thain via cctalk
wrote:
On 2022-10-18 2:57 a.m., Holm Tiffe via cctalk wrote:
Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
On Oct 17, 2022, at 2:47 PM, Joshua Rice via cctalk
wrote:
Hi all,
After some
I went to the Large Scale Systems Museum in New Kensington, PA (USA) a few
weeks ago. I've never seen such a large collection outside of the CHM in
Mountain View, CA (USA) but I've also only seen three collections haha.
The LSSM's main area was amazing (and most items are operational) but the
Eugene? Most people that are named Eugene (or Eugen in German) are
descendands of russian people or russians...and named Jewegeny. :-)
Excellent is ...wrong, starting at the point that the eniac should be
the first electronic calculator, it wasn't.
There are more faults. The cause for the lag
I have seen system source both the museum part and the warehouse in the
back. The rhode island.museum and warehouse is probably larger. Not that
system source is not substantial.
Bill
On Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 9:26 AM Ethan O'Toole via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > I suspect Jim
Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I apologise for any misunderstanding. By "clone", i didn't exactly mean
> a 1-to-1 copy, but more a reimplementation. Much like the term "IBM PC
> clone" is still used to describe non-IBM-derived PC designs.
Ok, sounds better, but the russians rolled
> All you need is a the local government to declare eminent domain and
> greater user for the public good.
Those would be the "significant barriers to cross".
--
Will
Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:
> On 2022-10-18 2:57 a.m., Holm Tiffe via cctalk wrote:
> > Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 17, 2022, at 2:47 PM, Joshua Rice via cctalk
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> After some discussion on reddit about russian PDP-11
On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 09:45:30AM +0200, Holm Tiffe wrote:
>
> There wasn't much demand to build an PDP8, 6 or 10, the 11 was much more
> intersting. BTW: As far as I heard some of the russian ICBM's using
> computers build from the more advanched russian "PDP11-clones".
>
Saratov-2 seems to
> On Oct 18, 2022, at 10:01 AM, Toby Thain via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 2022-10-18 2:57 a.m., Holm Tiffe via cctalk wrote:
>> Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>>>
>>>
On Oct 17, 2022, at 2:47 PM, Joshua Rice via cctalk
wrote:
Hi all,
After some discussion on
This is an excellent video on the history of Soviet computing and the causes of
their lagging behind the west. I cannot comment on the accuracy since I am no
expert in this subject. But a very interesting and informative video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHdqPBrtH8
73 Eugene W2HX
On 2022-10-18 2:57 a.m., Holm Tiffe via cctalk wrote:
Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
On Oct 17, 2022, at 2:47 PM, Joshua Rice via cctalk
wrote:
Hi all,
After some discussion on reddit about russian PDP-11 clones, i made the
(perhaps erronous) claim that the PDP series in general was
Don't be pedantic. You know what I mean.
Anyway, in the US, there are *significant* barriers to cross for
people taking your land.
And for the younger crowd it's very expensive now. Not like the old days
(assuming you live near a job center.)
- Ethan
Don't be pedantic. You know what I mean.
Anyway, in the US, there are *significant* barriers to cross for
people taking your land.
--
Will
On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 10:15 AM Ethan O'Toole wrote:
>
> > Own your land.
> > Museum or individual.
>
> You never own your land. They can always take it.
I suspect Jim Austin has one of the largest collections that's publicly
documented...
https://www.computermuseum.org.uk/
.. but many are very private about what they own
Dave
Indeed! Looking down their list it's quite impressive but I think System
Source has them beat. I don't see a list
Own your land.
Museum or individual.
You never own your land. They can always take it.
- Ethan
On 18/10/2022 14:18, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
I assume the story about the message is accurate (I heard it from a senior guy
at DEC who should know) but that doesn't mean it was actually cloned. It seems
to be an engineer reaction to hearing about their earlier work being stolen.
> On Oct 18, 2022, at 2:57 AM, Holm Tiffe via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>
>> ...
>>
>> You probably have heard of the CVAX chip, where on the mask in microscopic
>> lettering is the message, in Russian: "CVAX -- when you want to steal the
>> very best".
>
> Yes,
æstrid,
my institution is disposing of what I think is a VME chassis here in San
Antonio. That is not particularly accessible by Seattle transit, but if you are
willing and able to pay for shipping I think we can arrange to get it to you
instead of our dumpster.
The unit has no power supply
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To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
Cc: "Holm Tiffe"
Sent: Tuesday, 18 Oct, 2022 At 08:45
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Soviet PDP clones
Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote:
Hi all,
After some discussion on reddit about
> -Original Message-
> From: Ethan O'Toole via cctalk
> Sent: 18 October 2022 06:45
> To: Bill Degnan via cctalk
> Cc: Ethan O'Toole
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Large private collections
>
> > However you define it, who has the largest private collections? Is
> > there anyone who claims
Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> After some discussion on reddit about russian PDP-11 clones, i made the
> (perhaps erronous) claim that the PDP series in general was cloned by the
> Soviets.
>
> I’m aware that there was a lot of QBUS/LSI PDP-11 clones, and depite poor
>
Holm Tiffe via cctalk wrote:
[..]
For the GDR I don't know of any PDP8 clones, There was the "Kleinrechner
Systeme K4100 and K4200", don't know much about the first one, but the
2nd was compatible to the honeywell DDP516 Series, no clone in any way,
they are totally different from the in- and the
Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>
>
> > On Oct 17, 2022, at 2:47 PM, Joshua Rice via cctalk
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > After some discussion on reddit about russian PDP-11 clones, i made the
> > (perhaps erronous) claim that the PDP series in general was cloned by the
> > Soviets.
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