[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On Wed, 1 May 2024, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: To be sure, BASIC was hardly unique in terms of the 1960s interactive programming languages. We had JOSS, PILOT, IITRAN and a host of others, based on FORTRAN-ish syntax. not to forget APL, which was a thing apart. What would our world be like

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On 5/1/24 16:51, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > APL was incredible.  I was amazed.  I was immediately able to do a few > simple things that were useful for my boss and myself, and writing > simple programs within hours.  Its matrix arithmetic was awesome. APL > typeball on a selectric terminal at

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

APL was incredible.  I was amazed.  I was immediately able to do a few simple things that were useful for my boss and myself, and writing simple programs within hours.  Its matrix arithmetic was awesome. APL typeball on a selectric terminal at GSFC, . . . Some of the keys were re-labeled, but ther

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

I remember replacing the character generator eprom (the type with the window for UV erasing) on an old ATI EGA video board so that I could have the APL character set. On 5/1/2024 7:14 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: APL was incredible.  I was amazed.  I was immediately able to do a few simple

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On Wed, 1 May 2024, Mike Katz wrote: I remember replacing the character generator eprom (the type with the window for UV erasing) on an old ATI EGA video board so that I could have the APL character set. sweet At least one of the ATI EGA boards had a daughter board available to be able to us

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On 5/1/2024 7:51 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: What would our world be like if the first home computers were to have had APL, instead of BASIC? Maybe not instead of BASIC but I had APL on my TRS-80. bill

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On 5/1/2024 8:04 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 5/1/24 16:51, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: APL was incredible.  I was amazed.  I was immediately able to do a few simple things that were useful for my boss and myself, and writing simple programs within hours.  Its matrix arithmetic was

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 00:51, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > What would our world be like if the first home computers were to have had > APL, instead of BASIC? To be perfectly honest I think the home computer boom wouldn't have happened, and it would have crashed and burned in the 1970s, with th

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

I’m not certain what constitutes the original foundations of BASIC(Beginner’s All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code) but to my knowledge it began with J. G. Kemeny and T. E. Kurtz at Dartmouth College in 1964. Apple BASIC and GWBASIC were well established when I began experimenting with them in ear

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

> On May 2, 2024, at 6:55 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk > wrote: > > On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 00:51, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: >> >> What would our world be like if the first home computers were to have had >> APL, instead of BASIC? > > To be perfectly honest I think the home computer boom

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On 5/2/24 07:02, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > My guess is that the languages you use routinely are the ones that work best, > and which languages those are depends on where you work and on what projects. > For example, I don't *like* C (I call it a "feebly typed language") and C++ > not

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On 02/05/2024 01:51, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: What would our world be like if the first home computers were to have had APL, instead of BASIC? I don't know, but if you had asked "What would our world be like if the first home computers were to have had SmallTalk or even ALGOL instead of BAS

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On 5/2/24 05:55, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 00:51, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: What would our world be like if the first home computers were to have had APL, instead of BASIC? To be perfectly honest I think the home computer boom wouldn't have happened, and it would h

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

rs were in the 'mix' - 6800/6809, 8080, Z80, IBM 360/370, IBM 1800, M68K... it's helped me adapt to whatever environment that I wound up working in. From: "Johan Helsingius via cctalk" To: "cctalk" Cc: "Johan Helsingius" Sent: Thursday, May 2,

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

The first "professional software" I wrote (almost) out of University in 1979 was a package to emulate the mainframe APL\Plus file primitives on a CP/M APL variant. Used to facilitate porting of mainframe APL applications to microcomputers. I'm still an APL adherent since the late 1960s, but it was

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

> On May 2, 2024, at 3:50 PM, Lee Courtney via cctalk > wrote: > > The first "professional software" I wrote (almost) out of University in > 1979 was a package to emulate the mainframe APL\Plus file primitives on a > CP/M APL variant. Used to facilitate porting of mainframe APL applications >

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On 2024-05-02 4:55 a.m., Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 00:51, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: What would our world be like if the first home computers were to have had APL, instead of BASIC? To be perfectly honest I think the home computer boom wouldn't have happened, and

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

Paul, Is this the Lambda/VLSI Design magazine you refer to: Lynn Conway's VLSI Archive: Main Links (umich.edu) ? Thanks! Lee On Thu, May 2, 2024 at 1:00 PM Paul Koning wrote: > > > > On May 2, 2024, at 3:50

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

Yes, it sure is. I was mistaken about it being the first issue. Instead, the RSA article appears in Vol. 1 No. 3 (4Q80). Too bad the article itself isn't included in the scanned material. paul > On May 2, 2024, at 8:39 PM, Lee Courtney wrote: > > Paul, > > Is this the Lambda/VLSI

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

> On May 2, 2024, at 8:45 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > Yes, it sure is. I was mistaken about it being the first issue. Instead, > the RSA article appears in Vol. 1 No. 3 (4Q80). Too bad the article itself > isn't included in the scanned material. Ah, but it does show up elsewhere: http://a

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 20:51, Lee Courtney wrote: > Too bad because the language itself lends itself to learning by anyone with > an understanding of high school algebra. You remind me -- and _not_ in a good way -- of the first day of my undergrad 1st year statistics course at university. I did

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 2:48 PM Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > I failed _O_ level mathematics, and to get onto a science degree > course, I had to do another 6 months of remedial maths just to get me > through the exam. To be told "easy if you did the A level" would have > made me angrily walk

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

> On May 7, 2024, at 1:20 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk > wrote: > ... > Thus proving to > be complete horseshit all the educators that said if you want to get into a > computer career you must be good at math. Indeed. One of the most amazing programmers I ever worked with was a graduate of

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On 5/7/24 10:31, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > >> On May 7, 2024, at 1:20 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk >> wrote: >> ... >> Thus proving to >> be complete horseshit all the educators that said if you want to get into a >> computer career you must be good at math. > > Indeed. That is, or

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 11:03 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > People are strange--and interesting. > > --Chuck > But mostly strange :D Sellam

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

Paul Koning via cctalk [07/05/2024 19.31]: (Then again, I had a classmate who was taking a double major: math and music composition...) Mathemathics and music is not a rare combination - see Tom Lehrer, for instance. -- Hilsen Harald

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

> On May 8, 2024, at 10:25 AM, Harald Arnesen via cctalk > wrote: > > Paul Koning via cctalk [07/05/2024 19.31]: > >> (Then again, I had a classmate who was taking a double major: math and music >> composition...) > > Mathemathics and music is not a rare combination - see Tom Lehrer, for

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:25 PM Harald Arnesen via cctalk wrote: > > Paul Koning via cctalk [07/05/2024 19.31]: > > > (Then again, I had a classmate who was taking a double major: math and > > music composition...) > > Mathemathics and music is not a rare combination - see Tom Lehrer, for > instan

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On 5/8/2024 10:30 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On May 8, 2024, at 10:25 AM, Harald Arnesen via cctalk wrote: Paul Koning via cctalk [07/05/2024 19.31]: (Then again, I had a classmate who was taking a double major: math and music composition...) Mathemathics and music is not a r

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

There is scientific proof that studying music helps with math aptitude and vice versa. On 5/8/2024 9:30 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On May 8, 2024, at 10:25 AM, Harald Arnesen via cctalk wrote: Paul Koning via cctalk [07/05/2024 19.31]: (Then again, I had a classmate who was taking

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 7:51 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > > What would our world be like if the first home computers were to have had > APL, instead of BASIC? > > > The Ampere WS-1? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampere_WS-1 Definitely more stylish. KJ