On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 at 21:11, Lawrence Wilkinson via cctalk
wrote:
> Yes, I can confirm that I am real.
:-D
And better still, extant.
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On 1/06/24 14:20, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
https://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360/Saga.html
That one? Lawrence is on this list and posts occasionally. He's real:
I've met him. He was kind enough to give me some boxed copies of OS/2.
:-)
Yes, I can confirm that I am real.
Incidentally, I found
On 6/1/24 07:20, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
On Tue, 28 May 2024 at 19:32, Jon Elson via cctalk
wrote:
There's a story about a guy in Australia that found an
abandoned IBM 360/30 in a storage/shipper's warehouse and
dragged it to a rented office space that had no elevator. He
carefully
On Tue, 28 May 2024 at 19:32, Jon Elson via cctalk
wrote:
> There's a story about a guy in Australia that found an
> abandoned IBM 360/30 in a storage/shipper's warehouse and
> dragged it to a rented office space that had no elevator. He
> carefully dismantled it, dragged the pieces up to at
On 5/28/24 13:34, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote:
On 05/28/2024 1:05 PM CDT Sellam Abraham wrote:
What if a corporation in 1970 purchased an IBM 360 for each of their employees for their individual personal use? Now what?
Sellam
1. I don't believe ANYBODY could purchase a 360. You
something can be BOTH a "personal computer" *AND* "industrial computer" (or
whatever term you want to use)
I use cooking oil to start my charcoal grill, that does not make it NOT be
food.
I use vinegar and baking soda (separately) to kill weeds, that does not stop
them from being food.
Old
Always good to spark an "interesting discussion"
"Personal computer" - Generic enough that it can have multiple interpretations:
While technically somebody could have put a Cray1 in his (big :-) basement
and used it for his own enjoyment (ie: a "personal" computer) ... I don't
think I have ever
On Tue, 28 May 2024, Sellam Abraham wrote:
if a computer is being purchased by a non-human, i.e. corporation, to be
used to benefit the corporation, it is NOT a personal computer.
So then, that excludes the IBM PC / XT etc... At that time they were
mostly bought by corporations.
Christian
On Tue, 28 May 2024, CAREY SCHUG wrote:
Unless at least 5% (see quibbling below) of new purchases were by
private individuals, not required for their gainful employment, they are
"single user computers", not "personal computers". "Personal" is how
they are used, not how they could be used.
On 5/28/2024 6:16 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, 29 May 2024, Adrian Godwin wrote:
As a child. my parents weren't sufficiently enamoured of televisions
to buy
one, but I was given some old ones.
The one on the bottom had working sound and the one on the top had
working
video.
"If your working television sits on top of your non-working television,
you might be a redneck." - Jeff Foxworthy
On Wed, 29 May 2024, Adrian Godwin wrote:
As a child. my parents weren't sufficiently enamoured of televisions to buy
one, but I was given some old ones.
The one on the bottom had
On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 11:08 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> "If your working television sits on top of your non-working television,
> you might be a redneck." - Jeff Foxworthy
>
>
As a child. my parents weren't sufficiently enamoured of televisions to buy
one, but I
Fred,
I'm sorry but those arguments are religion to most of us and the clear
answer has already been decided (tongue firmly implanted in cheek)
1. Between Vi and EMACS - Any editor where you have a cursor movement
mode that is separate from edit mode (since the invention of arrow keys
or
On Tue, 28 May 2024, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote:
I'll make it simple.
if a computer is being purchased by a non-human, i.e. corporation, to be
used to benefit the corporation, it is NOT a personal computer.
Corporations tend to buy things on purchase orders, including open
ended, for
I'll make it simple.
if a computer is being purchased by a non-human, i.e. corporation, to be used
to benefit the corporation, it is NOT a personal computer. Corporations tend
to buy things on purchase orders, including open ended, for hundreds or
thousands at a time.
One way to determine if
On Tue, 28 May 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
How about can we be done with this now? :D
Sorry, but "FIRST" and "PERSONAL" are permanent topics,
along with emacs V VI, big-endian/little-endian, Mac/PC,
6502/Z80, etc.
On Tue, 28 May 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Why should that matter? Shouldn't it be how they were used rather than how
they were acquired?
About a quarter century ago, the college gave a computer to each tenured
professor. Although possibly nominally owned by the college, they did
On Tue, 28 May 2024, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote:
Since I belive ALL IBM computers in that era were ONLY leased, it is
technically still the property of IBM and they could claim it back.
--Carey
So, . . .
RENTING (including "rent to own" scams) a "personal computer" makes it not
"personal"?
On Tue, 28 May 2024, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote:
1. I don't believe ANYBODY could purchase a 360. You had to lease them.
2. do you know of such a company? (with a significant number of employees, not
a lone entrepreneur). I figure asking means that maybe you do. and since I
believe no 360
On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 11:34 AM CAREY SCHUG wrote:
>
>
> On 05/28/2024 1:05 PM CDT Sellam Abraham wrote:
>
> What if a corporation in 1970 purchased an IBM 360 for each of their
> employees for their individual personal use? Now what?
>
> Sellam
>
> Thanks for carrying the proposition to the
Since I belive ALL IBM computers in that era were ONLY leased, it is
technically still the property of IBM and they could claim it back.
--Carey
> On 05/28/2024 1:32 PM CDT Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
>
>
> On 5/28/24 12:02, ben via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Same concept as, if one guy
> On 05/28/2024 1:05 PM CDT Sellam Abraham wrote:
>
> What if a corporation in 1970 purchased an IBM 360 for each of their
> employees for their individual personal use? Now what?
>
> Sellam
>
1. I don't believe ANYBODY could purchase a 360. You had to lease them.
2. do you know of
On 5/28/24 12:02, ben via cctalk wrote:
Same concept as, if one guy living in a formerly
industrial loft has water cooling, and 300 amp 3 phase
power available, that does NOT make any computer
requiring that "personal". For that I'd say must be able
to plug into 50% of all homes, but
Same concept as, if one guy living in a formerly industrial loft has water cooling, and 300 amp 3
phase power available, that does NOT make any computer requiring that "personal". For
that I'd say must be able to plug into 50% of all homes, but realize more quibbling might apply
there,
I thought that was covered by the suggested person buying for their kids being
personal? No?
sorry, my apologies, I should have made a paragraph break, I was mixing
purchase orders with individual purchases. see square brackets for
clarifications
---
"Actually, I'd prefer to say 10% of
On Tue, May 28, 2024, 7:57 AM CAREY SCHUG via cctalk
wrote:
> I still return to.
>
> -->Who bought them?<--
>
What if Dad bought one for use by the entire family?
Sellam
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