Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-09 Thread Martin Peters via cctalk
Fred Cisin via cctalk: (...') > Got an IBM "Advanced Diagnostics" floppy to try? If you want to do a ll-format, you only need debug: A>DEBUG - -I 322 # reads dip-switches (don't think this is needed) -I 321 # read status -O 322 0# select the controller -I 321 # read status -O

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-09 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Date and time of Command.com and any other DOS files will identify the version number. On Wed, 9 Sep 2020, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: Only after DOS 5 or so, I fear. By lookup of the date prior to 5.00; starting with 5.00, visible instead of accurate dates Oh dear, yes. If the

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-09 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Date and time of Command.com and any other DOS files will identify the version number. On Wed, 9 Sep 2020, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: I've got 11/26/85 on command.com. That would be MS-DOS version 3.10 Best known for having the "network redirector"? (which was also the loophole that

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-09 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 18:56, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: > > On 9/8/20 6:04 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > Date and time of Command.com and any other DOS files will identify the > > version number. Only after DOS 5 or so, I fear. > I've got 11/26/85 on command.com. > > > DIR /A or

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-09 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 9/8/20 6:04 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Date and time of Command.com and any other DOS files will identify the version number. I've got 11/26/85 on command.com. DIR /A  or DIR /A:H will let you see the hidden files (presumably IO.SYS and MSDOS.SYS; PC-DOS had IBMBIO.COM and

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 9 Sep 2020, Doug Jackson wrote: I recall some of the high end cards in the CGA / EGA era had adon boards that were connected with a 20 or 36 pin jumper cable across the top of the boards - They also ran more than 64K or ram, such as the ATI Wonder boards. Maybe it's like that - the ATI

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-08 Thread Doug Jackson via cctalk
I recall some of the high end cards in the CGA / EGA era had adon boards that were connected with a 20 or 36 pin jumper cable across the top of the boards - They also ran more than 64K or ram, such as the ATI Wonder boards. Maybe it's like that - the ATI boards had 256K so they could page.

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 8 Sep 2020, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: OK, it boots off a DOS 3.3 floppy if that floppy is inserted before it attempts to boot from the hard disk. If I wait for it to do its "system file not found" bit, followed by a subsequent prompt to insert boot media and press a key, it

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 06:47, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > 1) If the drive is larger than 32MB, then boot with DOs 3.31 or newer. > Although even with the older ones, you can still do quite a bit. 3.31 is > the first where DOS supports a partition larger than 32MB > MS-DOS 5.00 is first where

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-08 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 9/7/20 6:18 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Floppy boot seems like the next step. OK, it boots off a DOS 3.3 floppy if that floppy is inserted before it attempts to boot from the hard disk. If I wait for it to do its "system file not found" bit, followed by a subsequent prompt to insert

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-07 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: Progress! I started looking everything over again, picking stuff apart, reassembling etc. - eventually happening to notice quite by chance how rough the very end of the hard disk control cable felt as I pushed the connector back onto the

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-07 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 9/7/20 2:22 PM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: And, even if it were somehow "compatible" with a completely different hard disk controller, "COMMAND ERROR" doesn't sound like anybody's error message for a wiped drive.  More likely to be a generic "READ ERROR" I agree "read error" would

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-07 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
"DOS based utility program to poke at the contents and/or snarf the int a file on disk"? DEBUG.COM On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: Funny, I've only ever used it for quick bits of assembly (just a couple of days ago, in fact), and to do things such as kicking off the

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-07 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 9/7/20 1:17 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: BTW, XT compatibles with the Xebec (and Xebec-like) hard disk controllers would not give a "COMMAND ERROR" message for a Low-level-formatted/wiped hard disk.   Probably a "1701" error. This one's a Xebec, almost identical to one of the branded

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-07 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 9/7/20 1:04 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: "DOS based utility program to poke at the contents and/or snarf the int a file on disk"? DEBUG.COM Funny, I've only ever used it for quick bits of assembly (just a couple of days ago, in fact), and to do things such as kicking off the formatter

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-07 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
BTW, XT compatibles with the Xebec (and Xebec-like) hard disk controllers would not give a "COMMAND ERROR" message for a Low-level-formatted/wiped hard disk. Probably a "1701" error. NOTE: for the 5170 (AT), IBM switched from the Xebec controller to a Western Digital one. There were many

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-07 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: It's a shame that the hard disk in the machine is either snafu or has been wiped - the contents would have helped shed light on things. There's an EPROM as part of the video hardware; anyone know of a DOS-based util to poke at the contents

Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

2020-09-07 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 9/7/20 2:26 AM, Veit, Holger wrote: Could this be a PGC card clone? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Graphics_Controller That had crossed my mind at one point, but there's no horsepower to this card at all - it's just TTL, RAM, BIOS and the 6845. The color output *appears* to