How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-02 Thread Terry Stewart
Hi, I'm engaged in a Retrochallenge project where I'm recoding my classic-computers.org.nz site to make it suitable for mobile platforms. I want to modernise the code as well, making it as close to HTML5 standard as I can The RetroChallenge blog site is here. http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-02 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/02/2015 03:26 PM, Terry Stewart wrote: Hi, I'm engaged in a Retrochallenge project where I'm recoding my classic-computers.org.nz site to make it suitable for mobile platforms. I want to modernise the code as well, making it as close to HTML5 standard as I can The RetroChallenge blog sit

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-02 Thread william degnan
I have been using Mosaic on my OpenVMS system, almost unusable, but fun. It's more important in this day and age to keep up with the web publishing standards than maintain backward compatibility. Google penalizes sites that are not mobile friendly in their rankings. If you can't be found, what's

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-02 Thread Mouse
> Subject: Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their > ONLY source of web content? I didn't see the original of this, probably (based on the headers) because it was sent through gmail. But, assuming the Subject: is an accurate guide to the content, I ma

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-02 Thread Tapley, Mark
Terry, On Jul 2, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Terry Stewart wrote: > Hi, > > I'm engaged in a Retrochallenge project ….The > question is, how many guys like us, those who dabble with old tech, are > likely to use ancient browsers as their ONLY source of web content. I > suspect not many. Should I worry a

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-02 Thread Sean Caron
Just a data point but I'll probably continue to maintain my personal page in HTML 3.2 as long as the technology will let me get away with it :O No need for all that fancy new-fangled stuff ... and it's nice to have at least one ready-made demo for browsing the Web on my older machines :O Best, Se

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-02 Thread Terry Stewart
Thanks for all those replies, and feedback on what the test page looked like on various devices. Much appreciated. I see there are various views as expected. I guess it depends on what I want the website to do in the end. One of the reasons I'm doing this is more to make sure the pages are ok fo

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Peter Coghlan
> > The website does have a few articles and resources of interest to vintage > computer hobbyists, which I wouldn't want to make inaccessible. The > question is, how many guys like us, those who dabble with old tech, are > likely to use ancient browsers as their ONLY source of web content. I > su

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread william degnan
Here is a simple example that replaces tables with div tags. I am in the process of migrating this site to html5 http://dev.matlackflorist.com/test.html Bill On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 1:00 AM, Terry Stewart wrote: > Thanks for all those replies, and feedback on what the test page looked > like o

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Mouse
>> On a related note, I'd be interested if anyone on the list CAN'T >> read this page properly: >> http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/temp.html Well, define "properly". Lynx gives me ("| " prefix added manually for email purposes) | Just a test page - p

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Terry Stewart wrote: Hi, I'm engaged in a Retrochallenge project where I'm recoding my classic-computers.org.nz site to make it suitable for mobile platforms. I want to modernise the code as well, making it as close to HTML5 standard as I can The RetroChallenge blog site is here. http://www.

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Richard Loken
On Thu, 2 Jul 2015, william degnan wrote: > I have been using Mosaic on my OpenVMS system, almost unusable, but fun. I have Mozilla Seamonkey on my OpenVMS Alpha 8.3 box and it is only slightly more usable than Mosaic in this the 21st century. I would like to port firefox to VMS but that would t

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Jerome H. Fine wrote: >Jerome H. Fine wrote: >Terry Stewart wrote: I'm engaged in a Retrochallenge project where I'm recoding my classic-computers.org.nz site to make it suitable for mobile platforms. I want to modernise the code as well, making it as close to HTML5 standard as I can T

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Terry Stewart
>It loads up fine using Mozilla/5.0 or SWB V1.1-12 based on Seamonkey 1.1.12 (or >.. >Looks grand in Lynx too. Highlighting "IBM XT" and pressing enter downloads >the picture and displays it using XV as expected. Great, thanks Peter. -- >Well, def

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Chuck Guzis
I can't imagine using NS 4 as my ONLY browser--I've tried, but there will always be a web site using more modern elements that won't render correctly. So people use IE6 on their Windows 7/8 machines as their ONLY browsers? Wow--I'm surprised that your employer allows that. I'm always resear

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Mouse
> So people use IE6 on their Windows 7/8 machines as their ONLY > browsers? Wow--I'm surprised that your employer allows that. What's my (putative) employer got to do with it? My employer does not get to tell me what I may or may not use for what little Web browsing I do on my own time on my own

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Chuck Guzis
ut I don't do non-work stuff that way. The topic was "How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?" If you do web browsing at work on anything other than an old browser, it would seem that you violate the spirit of the topic. At

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread ben
On 7/3/2015 4:33 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: I can't imagine using NS 4 as my ONLY browser--I've tried, but there will always be a web site using more modern elements that won't render correctly. So people use IE6 on their Windows 7/8 machines as their ONLY browsers? Wow--I'm surprised that your em

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-04 Thread Mouse
>> What's my (putative) employer got to do with it? [...] > The topic was "How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) > as their ONLY source of web content?" > If you do web browsing at work on anything other than an old browser, > it would see

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-06 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 10:26:35AM +1200, Terry Stewart wrote: > Hi, > > I'm engaged in a Retrochallenge project where I'm recoding my > classic-computers.org.nz site to make it suitable for mobile platforms. I > want to modernise the code as well, making it as close to HTML5 standard as > I can

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-06 Thread Terry Stewart
>Loads and looks acceptable under: >... Thanks Tomaz, I've finalised the site now and it's wearing it's new clothes at http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/index.htm Actually, it's more that it's wearing it's new undergarments as I've haven't changed the design in any radical way. It's g

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-09 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Liam Proven wrote: On 3 July 2015 at 18:22, Jerome H. Fine wrote: I understand that Netscape has been replaced by Mozilla. HOWEVER, since CHROME seems to be the most widely used, would CHROME be able to support the retention of ALL of my old e-mails and posts from usenet? Over the past 1

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2015-07-03 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Jerome H. Fine wrote: >Terry Stewart wrote: I'm engaged in a Retrochallenge project where I'm recoding my classic-computers.org.nz site to make it suitable for mobile platforms. I want to modernise the code as well, making it as close to HTML5 standard as I can The RetroChallenge blog si

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2015-07-03 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/03/2015 11:22 AM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: I understand that Netscape has been replaced by Mozilla. HOWEVER, since CHROME seems to be the most widely used, would CHROME be able to support the retention of ALL of my old e-mails and posts from usenet? Over the past 15 years, I probably hav

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2015-07-09 Thread Liam Proven
On 3 July 2015 at 18:22, Jerome H. Fine wrote: > I understand that Netscape has been replaced by Mozilla. HOWEVER, > since CHROME seems to be the most widely used, would CHROME > be able to support the retention of ALL of my old e-mails and posts > from usenet? Over the past 15 years, I probably

Retrochallenge Update (was Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?)

2015-07-16 Thread Terry Stewart
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Terry Stewart wrote: > Hi, > > I'm engaged in a Retrochallenge project where I'm recoding my > classic-computers.org.nz site to make it suitable for mobile platforms. > I want to modernise the code as well, making it as close to HTML5 standard > as I can > > Since

Re: Retrochallenge Update (was Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?)

2015-07-16 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Terry Stewart wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Terry Stewart wrote: Hi, I'm engaged in a Retrochallenge project where I'm recoding my classic-computers.org.nz site to make it suitable for mobile platforms. I want to modernise the code as well, making it as close to HTML5 standard as