RE: Computing Folklore [Was: Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available]

From: Classic CMP Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 9:21 AM > I suspect that most of you will have spent at least a little time on Andy > Herzfeld’s Folklore - https://folklore.org > Like or loathe Apple (and Mr Jobs in particular) it’s an interesting read, > and the way the si

Computing Folklore [Was: Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available]

> On 17 Apr 2020, at 17:06, Mark Linimon via cctalk > wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 09:35:09AM +0100, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: >> "If a DSORT6 job fails try running in a larger partition. If it still >> fails try it a smaller partition" > > I love the old

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 09:35:09AM +0100, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: > "If a DSORT6 job fails try running in a larger partition. If it still > fails try it a smaller partition" I love the old tales like this. Folks, please keep 'em coming! mcl

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

On 4/17/20 10:27 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Apr 17, 2020, at 3:40 AM, nico de jong via cctalk wrote: On 2020-04-17 09:12, ben via cctalk wrote: On 4/17/2020 12:19 AM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:00:17PM +, Tapley, Mark B. via cctalk wrote: [...]

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

> On Apr 17, 2020, at 3:40 AM, nico de jong via cctalk > wrote: > > On 2020-04-17 09:12, ben via cctalk wrote: >> On 4/17/2020 12:19 AM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:00:17PM +, Tapley, Mark B. via cctalk wrote: >>> [...] Tomasz, forgive me but I have t

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

On 4/17/20 3:12 AM, ben via cctalk wrote: On 4/17/2020 12:19 AM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:00:17PM +, Tapley, Mark B. via cctalk wrote: [...] Tomasz, forgive me but I have to ask. You did note the date on which that announcement appeared, right? Yeah. I do

RE: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of nico de jong via > cctalk > Sent: 17 April 2020 08:40 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available > > On 2020-04-17 09:12, ben via cctalk wrote: > > On 4/17/2020 12:19 AM, Tomasz

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

On 2020-04-17 09:12, ben via cctalk wrote: On 4/17/2020 12:19 AM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:00:17PM +, Tapley, Mark B. via cctalk wrote: [...] Tomasz, forgive me but I have to ask. You did note the date on which that announcement appeared, right? Yeah. I do

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

On 4/17/2020 12:19 AM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:00:17PM +, Tapley, Mark B. via cctalk wrote: [...] Tomasz, forgive me but I have to ask. You did note the date on which that announcement appeared, right? Yeah. I do not have to look at it again to tell you it

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 08:05:42PM -0500, wrco...@wrcooke.net wrote: > > [...]> And of course there is this :-)http://www.keil.com/cobolad.pdfOh > > goad. Have they ported it to Arduino? > > Well, the ad was fake. Ran in the April issue of some magazines. > Apparently they did get calls for orde

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:00:17PM +, Tapley, Mark B. via cctalk wrote: [...] > Tomasz, forgive me but I have to ask. You did note the date on which > that announcement appeared, right? Yeah. I do not have to look at it again to tell you it was dated April 1st 2005 :-). But it is ok you asked,

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

> On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk > wrote: > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] > > On Tue, Apr 07, 2020 at 02:11:25PM -0500, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > [...] >> >> And of course there is this :-) >> http://www.keil.com/cobolad.pdf > > Oh goad. Have they ported it to Arduino? > > --

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

> [...]> And of course there is this :-)http://www.keil.com/cobolad.pdfOh goad. > Have they ported it to Arduino? Well, the ad was fake. Ran in the April issue of some magazines. Apparently they did get calls for orders, though. http://www.ganssle.com/rants/on-languages.html Unfortunately, t

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

On Tue, Apr 07, 2020 at 02:11:25PM -0500, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: [...] > > And of course there is this :-) > http://www.keil.com/cobolad.pdf Oh goad. Have they ported it to Arduino? -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020, jos wrote: ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/ICL1501 There is the manual for the early 70´s COBOL implementation for the ICL1501, a small 8K or 16K TTL based personal computer ( TTL based CPU, with 2x 74181 ALU and a 32x8 CRT display) I'm sure you already know this :-) ftp://computerm

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

BASIC was all we had - we used COBOL on the ICL VME 2900 maniframes that were backending the 15xx machines. Believe me, if the programming staff had known COBOL was available on the 15xx machines, we would have moved heaven and earth to put it on the micros. So no, not the end-all, and I'm fairly

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

On 4/7/20 3:24 PM, Neil Thompson via cctalk wrote: > Why? Because we used to run out of resources regularly on that machine > writing the stuff in EBB, which was also compiled (I may be wrong, but I > seem to remember compiling stuff on it). And BASIC, even EBB, is generally > smaller than COBOL.

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

Why? Because we used to run out of resources regularly on that machine writing the stuff in EBB, which was also compiled (I may be wrong, but I seem to remember compiling stuff on it). And BASIC, even EBB, is generally smaller than COBOL. On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 at 21:04, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

> On April 7, 2020 at 2:04 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > On 4/7/20 2:38 PM, Neil Thompson via cctalk wrote:> I never used COBOL on the > 150x machines, all of our stuff was done in EBB(Extended Business Basic), > which was a rather bletcherous language IIRC. Imust admit, I'm rathe

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

I think it's even smaller if you have the Commercial Instruction Set on your pdp11. :-) C On 4/7/2020 3:04 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 4/7/20 2:38 PM, Neil Thompson via cctalk wrote: I never used COBOL on the 150x machines, all of our stuff was done in EBB (Extended Business Basi

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

On 4/7/20 2:38 PM, Neil Thompson via cctalk wrote: I never used COBOL on the 150x machines, all of our stuff was done in EBB (Extended Business Basic), which was a rather bletcherous language IIRC. I must admit, I'm rather surprised to learn that something as big a COBOL would fit on the machine

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

I never used COBOL on the 150x machines, all of our stuff was done in EBB (Extended Business Basic), which was a rather bletcherous language IIRC. I must admit, I'm rather surprised to learn that something as big a COBOL would fit on the machine. On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 at 19:46, jos via cctalk wrote

ICL1501 Cobol manual available

Since you are all talking COBOL now : ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/ICL1501 There is the manual for the early 70´s COBOL implementation for the ICL1501, a small 8K or 16K TTL based personal computer ( TTL based CPU, with 2x 74181 ALU and a 32x8 CRT display) Not the best of scans, but that alas reflect