RE: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-06-13 Thread tony duell
> > Hi Tony, > > I don't mean to throw shade on your HP 1630 or your K100 ... just in my own > personal opinion, when I see a HP 1630 on eBay for $100 or a HP 1660 on > eBay for $100 ... and you see this all the time ... I think going with the Of course. And I my comments are my personal opinion

Re: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-06-13 Thread Sean Caron
Hi Tony, I don't mean to throw shade on your HP 1630 or your K100 ... just in my own personal opinion, when I see a HP 1630 on eBay for $100 or a HP 1660 on eBay for $100 ... and you see this all the time ... I think going with the 1660 is the better deal ... you do make a good point about schemat

Re: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-06-12 Thread Eric Smith
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Sean Caron wrote: > * Generally anything the "C" can do, the "B" can do and vice versa. The 16500C can accept the 16533A and 16534A DSO options, while the 16500B cannot. The 16500A, B, C, 16600 series, 16700 series, and 16900 series each support different subsets

Re: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-06-12 Thread Ian S. King
Yes, the documentation of the HP 1630 series is phenomenal. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:52 PM, tony duell wrote: > > > * The HP 16500B and 16500C use a different '030 based logic board and > also > [...] > > * Generally anything the "C" can do, the "B" can do and vice versa. The > big > > differen

RE: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-06-12 Thread tony duell
> * The HP 16500B and 16500C use a different '030 based logic board and also [...] > * Generally anything the "C" can do, the "B" can do and vice versa. The big > difference between the two is that they switched from HP-HIL peripherals on > the "B" to standard PS/2 peripherals on the "C", if you w

Re: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-06-12 Thread Sean Caron
Hi Ken, I think that's a pretty good overview but just wanted to add a few notes: * The HP16500A (obsolete) ran completely from (DS/DD) floppies. There were two drives; one in front and one in back. The 16500A is capable of running only a limited subset of cards that were ultimately produced for

Re: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-06-11 Thread Glen Slick
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Ken Seefried wrote: > Thanks for the input everyone. In summary, I got recommendations for: > > - HP 16500C (lesser a 16500B, but not a 16500A) (mainframe) > - HP 16700/16900/17500 (mainframe, bigger-faster-stronger, still pretty > expensive, can use 16500 cards)

Re: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-06-10 Thread Ian S. King
One thing on which I must disagree: you don't need 'an external HPIB controller' to use the HP 1630. It's nice to be able to save configs and traces to floppy, but I don't know if the PC software to actually move it to a host for analysis has survived. I've never controlled my 1630G with anything

Re: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-06-10 Thread Ken Seefried
Thanks for the input everyone. In summary, I got recommendations for: - HP 16500C (lesser a 16500B, but not a 16500A) (mainframe) - HP 16700/16900/17500 (mainframe, bigger-faster-stronger, still pretty expensive, can use 16500 cards) - HP 166x or 167x (portable, modern, look for hard drive) - HP

Re: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-06-01 Thread Sean Caron
I've got to go with Alexandre on this, look for an HP 16500B or 16500C or if you want something smaller, an HP 166x or 1670x. You should be able to find a nice one in good shape with all the pod cables, break-outs, "grippies" ... a "full backpack" for a few hundred dollars or less. An HP 165x in n

Re: OT: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-05-29 Thread wulfman
Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 22:53:07 -0400 >> From: Ken Seefried >> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org >> Subject: OT: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Maybe only semi-OT. I'm working

Re: OT: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-05-29 Thread Marc Verdiell
2015 22:53:07 -0400 > From: Ken Seefried > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: OT: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Maybe only semi-OT. I'm working on a couple of classiccmp-ish projects

RE: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-05-29 Thread tony duell
> That's good to hear. > 2 weeks ago I got an HP1630D and last week a 1631. > Both came with pods, but the first one did not have the "plug" > with the test leads, and the second one did. So I bought the second The actual pods, which are plugged into the back of the instrument are quite complex a

Re: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-05-29 Thread Henk Gooijen
but they were great. - Henk -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Ian S. King Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 9:32 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers I'm quite fond of my HP 1630G. It's quite fast enough for

RE: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-05-29 Thread tony duell
> > I'm quite fond of my HP 1630G. It's quite fast enough for the sort of > machines I'm logic-analyzing. :-) Ditto. Well, I can't remember which model I was given, it's the one that's maxed out with 'state' channels, but only the basic 'timing' channels. The manual is excellent (and availa

Re: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-05-29 Thread Ian S. King
I'm quite fond of my HP 1630G. It's quite fast enough for the sort of machines I'm logic-analyzing. :-) On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Ken Seefried wrote: > From: tony duell > >> - No weird technologies in the design (all TTL/CMOS logic) > > > >That is going to be a problem. AFAIK no 'serio

RE: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-05-29 Thread Ken Seefried
From: tony duell >> - No weird technologies in the design (all TTL/CMOS logic) > >That is going to be a problem. AFAIK no 'serious' logic analyser was all >TTL or (high speed) CMOS. If you are looking for one that is mostly/all >standard logic, I think you have to consider ECL here. I meant I'm n

Re: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-05-29 Thread Alexandre Souza
) Meu site: http://www.tabalabs.com.br Meu blog: http://tabajara-labs.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: "Ken Seefried" To: Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:53 PM Subject: OT: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers Maybe only semi-OT. I'm working on a coup

Re: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-05-29 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Jon Elson > On 05/28/2015 09:53 PM, Ken Seefried wrote: >> Ease of finding complete kit; nothing worse than dropping a dime on >> what looks like a good deal only to find you're missing the unobtanium >> cable > The Tek 1240 should work. I can second that. I rec

RE: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-05-28 Thread tony duell
> > Maybe only semi-OT. I'm working on a couple of classiccmp-ish projects > (6303, 6309 and 68030) and I find the trusty old Tek 465 o-scope is no > longer compensating for my lack of design skill (or I'm getting better at > hiding bugs in my designs, depending how you look at it). I'm looking

Re: OT: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-05-28 Thread Jon Elson
On 05/28/2015 09:53 PM, Ken Seefried wrote: Maybe only semi-OT. I'm working on a couple of classiccmp-ish projects (6303, 6309 and 68030) and I find the trusty old Tek 465 o-scope is no longer compensating for my lack of design skill (or I'm getting better at hiding bugs in my designs, dependin

OT: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers

2015-05-28 Thread Ken Seefried
Maybe only semi-OT. I'm working on a couple of classiccmp-ish projects (6303, 6309 and 68030) and I find the trusty old Tek 465 o-scope is no longer compensating for my lack of design skill (or I'm getting better at hiding bugs in my designs, depending how you look at it). I'm looking for a recom