More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-02 Thread Jules Richardson
Hi All, My local recycler contacted me to say he'd had some more old boards come in. They're scheduled to be sent for processing next Wednesday, but in a couple of hours I'm heading out of town for a few days - it's possible I can rescue some of it next Tuesday when I'm back, so in the meantim

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-02 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/2/16 11:52 AM, Jules Richardson wrote: > __Fujitsu boards:__ > from 8" SMD disks > __Cipher boards:__ > from 1/2" streaming tapes > __Emulex boards:__ > T is normally tape and C is comm so this all was probably from a system with smd disks, cipher tape, and emulex comm mux

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-02 Thread Adrian Graham
On 02/09/2016 19:52, "Jules Richardson" wrote: >http://www.classiccmp.org/acornia/ub/d1.jpg - terminal board? DB25F and > BNC on one edge. There was another similar board with two BNCs and a DB25F > which was marked "VT100 basic video" on the underside, so I'm assuming this > is related. Tha

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-02 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/2/16 12:08 PM, Al Kossow wrote: >> __Emulex boards:__ >> > > T is normally tape and C is comm > > so this all was probably from a system with smd disks, cipher tape, and > emulex comm mux > > here is a nice picture page of emulex boards http://www.compsy.de/moduls/emulex.htm

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-02 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Jules Richardson wrote: > Hi All, > > My local recycler contacted me to say he'd had some more old boards come in... > > __Emulex boards:__ > > > http://www.classiccmp.org/acornia/ub/e1.jpg - 2x50W, 1x?? (I forgot to > make a note). CU0210402 on the PCB, CS0110202

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-02 Thread Pete Turnbull
On 02/09/2016 19:52, Jules Richardson wrote: M8012 BDV11 bootstrap-terminator/LTC. Most are 18-bit termination, but later ones - or with a trivial ECO - are 22-bit termination. M8061 (x2) RLV12 - later version RL01/RL02 disk controller. Worth having. M8014 M8013 These are

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-02 Thread jim stephens
On 9/2/2016 11:52 AM, Jules Richardson wrote: __Cipher boards:__ There are two of these: http://www.classiccmp.org/acornia/ub/c1.jpg I suspect they're from some form of terminal (or maybe printer?), and now that they're separated from the rest of the system they're just junk. Note that s

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-02 Thread jim stephens
On 9/2/2016 11:52 AM, Jules Richardson wrote: __Cipher boards:__ There are two of these: http://www.classiccmp.org/acornia/ub/c1.jpg I suspect they're from some form of terminal (or maybe printer?), and now that they're separated from the rest of the system they're just junk. Note that s

RE: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-02 Thread Dave Wade
Jules, Where in the world are these... Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jules > Richardson > Sent: 02 September 2016 19:53 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(?

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-05 Thread Jules Richardson
On 09/02/2016 04:40 PM, Dave Wade wrote: Jules, Where in the world are these... I'm up in Bemidji, MN I've been here almost ten years and not seen any DEC stuff until those boards came in a few weeks ago. These latest ones were supposedly turned in at the recycler by a different person, wh

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-05 Thread Adrian Graham
On 05/09/2016 22:48, "Jules Richardson" wrote: > On 09/02/2016 04:40 PM, Dave Wade wrote: >> Jules, >> Where in the world are these... > > I'm up in Bemidji, MN > > I've been here almost ten years and not seen any DEC stuff until those > boards came in a few weeks ago. These latest ones were

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-05 Thread Mark Linimon
On Mon, Sep 05, 2016 at 04:48:43PM -0500, Jules Richardson wrote: > I'm up in Bemidji, MN Heh, I was just there a couple of months ago. mcl

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-05 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Mon, Sep 05, 2016 at 04:48:43PM -0500, Jules Richardson wrote: > > I think I'll see about getting the M8014, M8012, M8013 and M8061 boards > tomorrow. How much do you pay for these? Do you intend to pass them on? Regards, Pontus.

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-06 Thread Jules Richardson
On 09/06/2016 01:46 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2016 at 04:48:43PM -0500, Jules Richardson wrote: I think I'll see about getting the M8014, M8012, M8013 and M8061 boards tomorrow. How much do you pay for these? Do you intend to pass them on? At the moment my plan is to try an

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-06 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Jules Richardson > M8190-AE ; 11/83 CPU > M8190-AB ; 11/83 CPU (or /73??) w/FPU As far as I know, all the M8190's are _basically_ the same: they are the KDJ11-B CPU, which support the PMI memory bus, can operate with a KTJ11-B to provide a UNIBUS, etc. They are the CP

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-06 Thread Jules Richardson
On 09/06/2016 08:58 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: Jules Richardson > M8190-AE ; 11/83 CPU > M8190-AB ; 11/83 CPU (or /73??) w/FPU As far as I know, all the M8190's are _basically_ the same: they are the KDJ11-B CPU, which support the PMI memory bus, can operate with a

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-07 Thread Pete Turnbull
On 07/09/2016 03:32, Jules Richardson wrote: On 09/06/2016 08:58 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: As far as I know, all the M8190's are _basically_ the same: they are the KDJ11-B CPU, which support the PMI memory bus, can operate with a KTJ11-B to provide a UNIBUS, etc. They are the CPU in an 11/83 (wi

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-07 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Pete Turnbull > all microPDP-11/73 machines had an M8190. The M8192 was mostly sold as > an OEM board. That's so bizarre (although the "Supermicrosystems Handbook", which covers the 11/73, confirms it used the KDJ11-B). So the KDJ11-A (M8192) was not used in any 'PDP-11/xx'?

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-07 Thread Pete Turnbull
On 07/09/2016 13:02, Noel Chiappa wrote: From: Pete Turnbull all microPDP-11/73 machines had an M8190. The M8192 was mostly sold as an OEM board. That's so bizarre (although the "Supermicrosystems Handbook", which covers the 11/73, confirms it used the KDJ11-B). As does the MicroPDP-11 Sys

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-07 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Pete Turnbull >> The other thing that makes no sense is that the KDJ11-B (M8190) has >> all that extra circuitry on it to support PMI, etc - all of which is >> unused in the 11/73 application! Why not just plug in a (presumably >> cheaper) M8192? In the /73 application,

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-07 Thread Pete Turnbull
On 07/09/2016 22:35, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: Pete Turnbull > Don't forget the LTC :-) ?? The KDJ11-A has an on-board LTC - see EK-KDJ1A-UG-001, pg. 1-7. So it does. I'd forgotten that! > Otherwise, you'd need an additional bootstrap card such as an MRV11-D > with -B2 boo

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-07 Thread Glen Slick
On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > Yes, it has a lot of ROM sockets: it's a bootstrap/terminator/LTC card. In > fact it's the archetypal bootstrap card, the one that first had the paging > mechanisms all the others use. The problem is none of the sockets support > large ROMs

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-07 Thread Pete Turnbull
On 08/09/2016 00:37, Glen Slick wrote: Basically this boils down to having the MXV11-B2 Boot ROMs installed on either an MXV11-B or MRV11-D. The MXV11-B2 Boot ROMs are apparently not compatible with the BDV11, for reasons I don't remember 100% off the top of my head. Too big. They're a pair o

Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-07 Thread Glen Slick
On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Pete Turnbull wrote: > On 08/09/2016 00:37, Glen Slick wrote: > >> Basically this boils down to having the MXV11-B2 Boot ROMs installed >> on either an MXV11-B or MRV11-D. The MXV11-B2 Boot ROMs are apparently >> not compatible with the BDV11, for reasons I don't re

MicroPDP-11/73, was Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-07 Thread Steven M Jones
On 09/07/16 05:02, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > The other thing that makes no sense is that the KDJ11-B (M8190) has all that > extra circuitry on it to support PMI, etc - all of which is unused in the > 11/73 application! Why not just plug in a (presumably cheaper) M8192? In Marketing-land, the VAXsta

Re: MicroPDP-11/73, was Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-07 Thread Paul Koning
> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:20 PM, Steven M Jones wrote: > > On 09/07/16 05:02, Noel Chiappa wrote: >> >> The other thing that makes no sense is that the KDJ11-B (M8190) has all that >> extra circuitry on it to support PMI, etc - all of which is unused in the >> 11/73 application! Why not just plug

Re: MicroPDP-11/73, was Re: More mystery recycler boards - DEC, Fujitsu(??), Cipher, Emulex

2016-09-07 Thread Pete Turnbull
On 07/09/2016 20:20, Steven M Jones wrote: Anybody know what the most common actually-shipped configuration of the MicroPDP-11/73 were? BA23, M8190, 1 RAM board, RQDX_, and DLV11? From my experience servicing them in the UK, pretty much that. I saw a few with DEQNAs and some with two memory b