Re: Odd book

2020-05-09 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
The Martin Gardner column about teaching matchboxes to play tic-tac-toe was March 1962 Scientific American, "Mathematical Games: How to build a game-learning machine and then teach it to play and to win" In the novel "The Adolescence of P-1", by Thomas Joseph Ryan (1977), a college kid, fasci

Re: Odd book

2020-05-09 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 5:59 PM Brian L. Stuart wrote: > If it's the one I'm thinking of, the game is called hexapawn, > though it's played on a 3x3 grid, like TTT. I've always > had a fond spot for that article. It was one of my inspirations > back when I did a lot of AI. I remember Martin Gardn

Re: Odd book

2020-05-09 Thread Brian L. Stuart via cctalk
On Saturday, May 9, 2020, 11:42:11 AM EDT, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: >On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:23 PM Noel Chiappa via cctalk >wrote: >> >> > From: Dwight Kelvey >> >> > There was a fellow that made a relay logic that could play tic tac toe There's a guy who brings the stepper/relay TTT mac

Re: Odd book

2020-05-09 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk
> On May 9, 2020 at 10:41 AM Tony Duell via cctalk > wrote: > > On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:23 PM Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote:>> > From: Dwight Kelvey> > There was a fellow that made a relay logic > that could play tic tac toe> What's with these new-fangled devices using > _electricity_ anyw

Re: Odd book

2020-05-09 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:23 PM Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > > From: Dwight Kelvey > > > There was a fellow that made a relay logic that could play tic tac toe > > What's with these new-fangled devices using _electricity_ anyway? :-) > > In high school, my math teacher (I think it was

Re: Odd book

2020-05-09 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Dwight Kelvey > There was a fellow that made a relay logic that could play tic tac toe What's with these new-fangled devices using _electricity_ anyway? :-) In high school, my math teacher (I think it was) used a couple of matchboxes and some beads to create a TTT device; he 'pro

RE: Odd book

2020-05-08 Thread Ali via cctalk
> Beating the human player is possible only if the human player does not > play well. A competent human player (no misteaks) would be able to > force > a draw. Agree completely. However, I am not sure if the sales manager would be as pleased for a simple draw. After all it does not show the supe

RE: Odd book

2020-05-08 Thread Ali via cctalk
> "Trimmed" is a term meaning "scammed" back in the 1920's usually by a > confidence man. The goal of a confidence game was typically to "trim a > mark" for example. > > In this context the author was probably saying that not only did they > get beaten, they got beaten bad in what appeared to be a

Re: Odd book

2020-05-08 Thread Jay Jaeger via cctalk
On 5/6/2020 10:29 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > So, I've come across an odd book that might interest some here: "Achieving > Accuray: A Legacy of Computers and Missiles", by Marshall William McMurray. > > The first couple of chapters merely re-tell the story o

Re: Odd book

2020-05-08 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On 08/05/2020 21:23, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Remember, back in the 60's people really didn't take game theory very seriously. That's why that Merlin game's tic tac toe was so popular. Nowadays we have u tube to show us how to win at TTT. Back then not so much. If you can't work out TT

Re: Odd book

2020-05-08 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Remember, back in the 60's people really didn't take game theory very seriously. That's why that Merlin game's tic tac toe was so popular. Nowadays we have u tube to show us how to win at TTT. Back then not so much. C On 5/8/2020 3:29 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > However, according to

RE: Odd book

2020-05-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
> > However, according to the New Yorker article the Manrobot beat the > > human player five times in a row Consider the possibility that the writer took "did not lose 5 times in a row", and wrote that as "WON 5 times in a row". Not following Fred. The writer wrote: "We got trimmed in fi

Re: Odd book

2020-05-08 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2020-05-08 7:15 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > "Trimmed" is a term meaning "scammed" back in the 1920's usually by a > confidence man. The goal of a confidence game was typically to "trim a > mark" for example. > > In this context the author was probably saying that not only did they > get

Re: Odd book

2020-05-08 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
"Trimmed" is a term meaning "scammed" back in the 1920's usually by a confidence man. The goal of a confidence game was typically to "trim a mark" for example. In this context the author was probably saying that not only did they get beaten, they got beaten bad in what appeared to be a "rigged

RE: Odd book

2020-05-08 Thread Ali via cctalk
> Consider the possibility that the writer took "did not lose 5 times in > a > row", and wrote that as "WON 5 times in a row". Not following Fred. The writer wrote: "We got trimmed in five straight games, and the vice-president in charge of marketing seemed very much pleased." The slang is a bit b

Re: Odd book

2020-05-08 Thread Robert Harrison via cctalk
I wrote a program for TicTacToe back in 1975 for a Monroe Calculator. I had a cheat key you could use to launch the game which would allow to win, it only would stop obvious winning situations, otherwise, the calculator would win or tie. My 8 year old sister played so bad, she beat it in winning

RE: Odd book

2020-05-07 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
There are only a few winning and tying patterns for tic tac toe. There was a fellow that made a relay logic that >could play tic tac toe and would win against a human of at least tie but never lose. Checkers is one of the most complicated games. Dwight I am not very familiar with the game the

RE: Odd book

2020-05-07 Thread Ali via cctalk
>There are only a few winning and tying patterns for tic tac toe. There was a fellow that made a relay logic that >could play tic tac toe and would win against a human of at least tie but never lose. >Checkers is one of the most complicated games. >Dwight Dwight, I am not very familiar with the

Re: Odd book

2020-05-07 Thread Warren Toomey via cctalk
dwight wrote on Thu May 7 08:45:07 CDT 2020: > There are only a few winning and tying patterns for tic tac toe. There > was a fellow that made a relay logic that could play tic tac toe and > would win against a human of at least tie but never lose. Here's my version of tic tac toe in TTL logic: J

Re: Odd book

2020-05-07 Thread Sytse van Slooten via cctalk
Thanks for the recoomendation Noel, I’ve ordered a copy. Looking forward to when it arrives! Cheers Sytse > On 6 May 2020, at 17:29, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > > So, I've come across an odd book that might interest some here: "Achieving > Accuray: A Legacy

Re: Odd book

2020-05-07 Thread dwight via cctalk
: cctalk on behalf of Ali via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 10:08 AM To: 'William Sudbrink' ; 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: RE: Odd book > Yes, the Monrobot is particularly interesting > because (among other things) it was reviewed &g

RE: Odd book

2020-05-06 Thread Mark Matlock via cctalk
> From: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu > Subject: Odd book > Message-ID: <20200506152915.23ea118c...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> > > So, I've come across an odd book that might interest some here: &

RE: Odd book

2020-05-06 Thread Ali via cctalk
> Yes, the Monrobot is particularly interesting > because (among other things) it was reviewed > in the New Yorker magazine. > > https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1960/03/19/portable-robot That must have been quite a machine to beat a person five times in Tic Tac Toe. Even the WOPR couldn't do t

RE: Odd book

2020-05-06 Thread William Sudbrink via cctalk
Noel Chiappa wrote: > Competent, but nothing special. Then it > gets interesting, though. > MONROBOT III (!!), Yes, the Monrobot is particularly interesting because (among other things) it was reviewed in the New Yorker magazine. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1960/03/19/portable-robot Bil

Odd book

2020-05-06 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
So, I've come across an odd book that might interest some here: "Achieving Accuray: A Legacy of Computers and Missiles", by Marshall William McMurray. The first couple of chapters merely re-tell the story of earliest computers (pre-elecronic and electronic), up through the IBM 7