Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-22 Thread Doug Ingraham via cctalk
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 8:04 PM, Charles Dickman wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Doug Ingraham via cctalk > > I guess you can be the first! Best wishes. > > Not sure I want to go there... > I hear you there. I built a front panel for a box I have been calling the FPG-8. Modeled aft

Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-21 Thread allison via cctalk
On 03/21/2018 10:04 PM, Charles Dickman via cctalk wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Doug Ingraham via cctalk > wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Charles Dickman via cctalk < >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 9:59 PM, allison via cctalk >>> wrote: >

Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-21 Thread Charles Dickman via cctalk
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Doug Ingraham via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Charles Dickman via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 9:59 PM, allison via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> >> Has anyone ever seen a PDP8/i style console for the PDP8/e?

Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-20 Thread Doug Ingraham via cctalk
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Charles Dickman via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 9:59 PM, allison via cctalk > wrote: > > >> Has anyone ever seen a PDP8/i style console for the PDP8/e? Looking at > >> the way the PDP8/e console functions, it should be possible

Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-19 Thread Charles Dickman via cctalk
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:31 PM, Kyle Owen via cctalk wrote: > The bulbs are still available on Mouser. I've ordered a bunch for my 8/e > and have been very happy with them. > > http://so-much-stuff.com/pdp8/repair/bulbs.php > I assume you mean the CM7371 not quite but almost the same bulb? Tha

Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-19 Thread Charles Dickman via cctalk
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 9:59 PM, allison via cctalk wrote: > On 03/16/2018 08:28 PM, Charles Dickman via cctalk wrote: >> So the PDP8/e used the KC8-EA programmers console which has >> incandescent indicator lamps and the PDP8/f used the KC8-FL >> programmers console which has LED indicator lamps.

Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-19 Thread Charles Dickman via cctalk
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 9:59 PM, allison via cctalk wrote: >> Has anyone ever seen a PDP8/i style console for the PDP8/e? Looking at >> the way the PDP8/e console functions, it should be possible to time >> multiplex all the register to the data bus so they are all visible at >> once when the mac

Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-19 Thread Doug Ingraham via cctalk
The circuit board material of the straight 8 front panel is fragile. The resin used melts at soldering temperatures. As a consequence my front panel was munged up before I got it. Foils lifted kind of thing. I decided when I next took it apart I would replace with LED's. Around 1995 I had some

Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-19 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Allison >> What about warm white LEDs, though? ... maybe they are available in >> bulb replacement form? > I used a supply of dead bulbs to make mine. a little heat and the glass > goes, a resistor and a 3mm led and good to go. Urr, I'm not up to making them! I was r

Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-17 Thread Pete Turnbull via cctalk
On 17/03/2018 00:28, Charles Dickman via cctalk wrote: So the PDP8/e used the KC8-EA programmers console which has incandescent indicator lamps and the PDP8/f used the KC8-FL programmers console which has LED indicator lamps. I have two 8/e machines, one of which has the original panel with in

Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-17 Thread allison via cctalk
On 03/17/2018 09:09 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > From: Allison > > > you have to pull the panel apart to replace them, gets tiring. Modern > > yellow LEDs are nice and bright, and don't burn out. > > Less digging in the box is a good thing as over time fumble errors can >

Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-17 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Allison > you have to pull the panel apart to replace them, gets tiring. Modern > yellow LEDs are nice and bright, and don't burn out. > Less digging in the box is a good thing as over time fumble errors can > hurt it. Agree about replacing lamps - we switched to LEDs

Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-17 Thread Ed Sharpe via cctalk
back in the day (70s)  when selling these  things  2ed  hand   E  was ind.   M and F were always  LED... I  preferred the  leds  Ed#     In a message dated 3/16/2018 7:31:26 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:   On Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 20:58 allison via cctalk wrote: > O

Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-16 Thread Mark Linimon via cctalk
cool post, thanks. mcl

Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-16 Thread allison via cctalk
On 03/16/2018 10:31 PM, Kyle Owen via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 20:58 allison via cctalk > wrote: > >> On 03/16/2018 08:28 PM, Charles Dickman via cctalk wrote: >>> So the PDP8/e used the KC8-EA programmers console which has >>> incandescent indicator lamps and the PDP8/f used the KC8-

Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-16 Thread Kyle Owen via cctalk
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 20:58 allison via cctalk wrote: > On 03/16/2018 08:28 PM, Charles Dickman via cctalk wrote: > > So the PDP8/e used the KC8-EA programmers console which has > > incandescent indicator lamps and the PDP8/f used the KC8-FL > > programmers console which has LED indicator lamps.

Re: PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-16 Thread allison via cctalk
On 03/16/2018 08:28 PM, Charles Dickman via cctalk wrote: > So the PDP8/e used the KC8-EA programmers console which has > incandescent indicator lamps and the PDP8/f used the KC8-FL > programmers console which has LED indicator lamps. Wrong.  The 8f uses the same as the 8e.  It was the 8m that had

PDP8/e programmers consoles

2018-03-16 Thread Charles Dickman via cctalk
So the PDP8/e used the KC8-EA programmers console which has incandescent indicator lamps and the PDP8/f used the KC8-FL programmers console which has LED indicator lamps. Why? The maintenance manual says that LEDs are more reliable. The operation is as far as I know the same. The LED version does