Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-05-02 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On May 2, 2021, at 1:25 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: > > Sorry for the delay, but finally, here's a pile of pictures of the +5V ECO on > the backplane. Let me know if you need more detail on something: > > https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aqb36sqnCIfMpMAqf_6YvmsEEU-T0A?e=Y6WBfV Oh, this is great, thanks! I

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-05-02 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk
On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 11:26 PM Fritz Mueller wrote: > > > On Apr 24, 2021, at 7:02 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: > > If you have notes on re-creating the harness, let me know. > > Hi Josh, > > A few pointers -- I think I left some of these in a comment on one of your > fb posts, but will repeat here

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-29 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/1145/KB11-A_revS_Engineering_Drawings_Dec1973.pdf Thanks very much, Al!

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-29 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 4/28/21 10:19 AM, Fritz Mueller wrote: Ohh... I'd be very, *very* interested to see versions of the /45 drawings other than the two sets that are commonly available! http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/1145/KB11-A_revS_Engineering_Drawings_Dec1973.pdf

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-28 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021, Fritz Mueller wrote: On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:51 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: I have other 45/70 drawings that i haven't pdf'ed I need to see if they are different revs than what I already have Ohh... I'd be very, *very* interested to see versions of the /45 drawings ot

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-28 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 4/28/21 9:51 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 4/28/21 9:14 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:    https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102749003 so maybe Al will take pity on us and scan it! I'll see what I can do. I have other 45/70 drawings that i haven't pdf'ed I need

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-28 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:51 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: > > I have other 45/70 drawings that i haven't pdf'ed > I need to see if they are different revs than what I already have Ohh... I'd be very, *very* interested to see versions of the /45 drawings other than the two sets that are c

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-28 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 4/28/21 9:14 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102749003 so maybe Al will take pity on us and scan it! I'll see what I can do. I have other 45/70 drawings that i haven't pdf'ed I need to see if they are different revs than what I alr

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-28 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:14 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > > ISTR a previous, un-fulfilled request for the -11/70 wirelist, so it's been > missing for a while. > > We _might_ have the -11/45 wirelist: > > > http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/1145/1145_System_Engineering_Drawings

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-28 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Eric Smith > The KB11-B (original 11/70) and KB11-C (later 11/70) have essentially > the same changes as from the KB11-A to KB11-D Speaking of which, two of the boards that are different in the KB11-D, from the -A, are _identical_ to boards in the KB11-C - the M8123 ROM & ROM

RE: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-28 Thread Henk Gooijen via cctalk
Van: Noel Chiappa via cctalk<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> Verzonden: woensdag 28 april 2021 16:08 Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> CC: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu<mailto:j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Onderwerp: Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO &g

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-28 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Henk Gooijen > I have the M8120 and 4 M8121 boards (32kW bipolar RAM). It is a bit > weird, but in the 11/55 are also two G114 boards (4kW MOS RAM), IIRC. G114s? Those are the sense/inhibit module from the MM11-U/MJ11. Did you mean G401s? If so, one guess as to what happened

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-28 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Wait, that 11/45 looks to have an MS11-LK memory board in it. I assume that's just normal slow Unibus memory, or was it also able to be installed on the FASTBUS? C On 4/27/2021 12:36 PM, Michael Thompson via cctech wrote: On 4/24/21 10:28 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: Noel PS:

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-27 Thread Michael Thompson via cctalk
> > > On 4/24/21 10:28 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > Noel > > > > PS: I wonder how many people here have -11/45's? ISTR one other, but > they aren't > > common. The Rhode Island Computer Museum has two. The pair were the interface between fire pull boxes and the 911 dispatch system

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-26 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 9:28 PM Noel Chiappa via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I had a look at my /45 (a later KB11-D - although I think the backplanes > for > the -A and -D are identical), > I did not think they used the same backplane, but 11/45 maintenance manual (EK-11045-MM-007) c

RE: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-26 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fritz Mueller via cctalk > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 2:27 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO > > > >

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-25 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On Apr 24, 2021, at 7:02 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: > If you have notes on re-creating the harness, let me know. Hi Josh, A few pointers -- I think I left some of these in a comment on one of your fb posts, but will repeat here in case others may find it useful: * The wire list in the commonly

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-25 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/25/21 12:08 PM, Tom Uban via cctech wrote: On 4/24/21 10:28 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > From: Fritz Mueller > could I ask that you take some closeups around the Mate-n-Locks along > the top? I'd be very interested to see the board traces and the details > of th

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-25 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
Very interesting -- thanks for the info, folks! My backplane has none of this wiring. I'd really like to see if the traces also look the same, too, though there is no real rush. Hopefully it will be more convenient for Josh to get some straight-on pictures, since his backplane is already pull

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-25 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> I had a look at my /45 ... and it seems to ... look just like those on > Josh's. I'd really want to take pictures of mine .. so I can compare > them directly, though, not depend on visual memory. Yeah, mine (a late /55, actually) has the _exact_ same wires at Josh's. So that's probab

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-25 Thread Jacob Ritorto via cctalk
I do. An early one from Stanford. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 24, 2021, at 11:28 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > >  >> >> From: Fritz Mueller > >> could I ask that you take some closeups around the Mate-n-Locks along >> the top? I'd be very interested to see the board traces and th

RE: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-25 Thread Henk Gooijen via cctalk
Van: Noel Chiappa via cctalk<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> Verzonden: zondag 25 april 2021 05:28 Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> CC: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu<mailto:j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Onderwerp: Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO PS: I wonder ho

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-25 Thread Tom Uban via cctalk
On 4/24/21 10:28 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > From: Fritz Mueller > > > could I ask that you take some closeups around the Mate-n-Locks along > > the top? I'd be very interested to see the board traces and the details > > of the red bus wiring there. > > I had a look at my

RE: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-25 Thread jwest--- via cctalk
Noel wrote... > PS: I wonder how many people here have -11/45's? ISTR one other, but > they aren't common. Tony replied... I do. -- I have a dual bay 11/45 with RL02, RX02, BA11 expansion, and an early 3rd party (CSI?) linktape. All restored, tested, and working with spares and docs

RE: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-24 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tony Duell > via cctalk > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:56 PM > To: Noel Chiappa; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-24 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
> PS: I wonder how many people here have -11/45's? ISTR one other, but they > aren't > common. I do. -tony

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-24 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Fritz Mueller > could I ask that you take some closeups around the Mate-n-Locks along > the top? I'd be very interested to see the board traces and the details > of the red bus wiring there. I had a look at my /45 (a later KB11-D - although I think the backplanes for the -

Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO

2021-04-24 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk
On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 1:36 PM Fritz Mueller via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Hi Josh, > > Among the pictures linked from your message about the H742a parts, there > is one picture of you backplane. I have been looking for some time for > information about the following 11/45 ECO: >