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On 10/15/2016 10:48 PM, Steven M Jones wrote: On 10/15/2016 19:39, Chuck Guzis wrote: My point blew right past you, apparently--yet I stated it as clearly as I could. I got your point, Chuck, one hundred percent. It's a depressing perspective, but I acknowledge the truth of it in my own life.

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* Jason Howe [161014 10:15]: [..SNIP..] > Okay, I'll bite. I'm in my mid-30's. I've always loved older gear of > all types: A/V, computers, photographic, automotive, you name it. > > For me, its the thrill of running something discarded or obsolete, > learning all I can

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On 10/15/2016 08:06 PM, drlegendre . wrote: > " I can read about using arsphenamine to treat syphilis, for example > (historically important), without contracting the disease and > treating it myself just for "the experience"." > > Thanks for that, Chuck.. while it makes the point, it's still one

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" I can read about using arsphenamine to treat syphilis, for example (historically important), without contracting the disease and treating it myself just for "the experience"." Thanks for that, Chuck.. while it makes the point, it's still one of the screwiest analogies ever. Love it. Gotta pull

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> Just wait until the hipsters discover syphilis, and the prices go > through the roof on eBay thanks to opportunistic syphilis flippers. I don't know about the price of syphilis but the price of treating syphilis has gone through the roof. But I digress... :)

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On 10/15/2016 05:49 PM, Steven M Jones wrote: > On 10/15/16 12:49, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> >> I can read about using arsphenamine to treat syphilis, for example >> (historically important), without contracting the disease and >> treating it myself just for "the experience". > > Well, thanks for

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> On Oct 15, 2016, at 19:33, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > I treat syphilis, in case anyone on this list requires that. Just wait until the hipsters discover syphilis, and the prices go through the roof on eBay thanks to opportunistic syphilis flippers. -- Mark J. Blair,

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> > I can read about using arsphenamine > > to treat syphilis, for example (historically important), without > > contracting the disease and treating it myself just for "the experience". > > Well, thanks for not drawing a *direct* comparison between those of us > still more engaged in collecting

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On 10/15/16 12:49, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > I can read about using arsphenamine > to treat syphilis, for example (historically important), without > contracting the disease and treating it myself just for "the experience". Well, thanks for not drawing a *direct* comparison between those of us

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On 10/14/2016 10:06 PM, drlegendre . wrote: > If my previous observations on the genesis of the list don't match > reality, I'm perfectly willing to be corrected - in fact, I like what > I've been hearing about the origins of the list. That said, the vast > majority of list traffic seems to

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On Oct 15, 2016 1:06 AM, "drlegendre ." wrote: > > > > > There are still plenty of enthusiastic, younger folks who are most > >> definitely into running the "genuine old hardware" - it's just that > >> > > this > > > list hasn't traditionally offered much of a draw for these

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> > There are still plenty of enthusiastic, younger folks who are most >> definitely into running the "genuine old hardware" - it's just that >> > this > list hasn't traditionally offered much of a draw for these users. As >> > noted, > the list was formed by and for users of the classic-era

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On Fri, 14 Oct 2016, jim stephens wrote: There are a number of 1970 postings, which clearly were sent with 0 time stamp values, and accepted by the mailing agent and archived with the 1970 time frame. They are not all the same in each snapshot. Appreciate your capture of these. Sometimes

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On 10/14/2016 10:32 AM, Richard Schauer wrote: I'm searching the alt.folklore.computers group (on Google; my ISP no longer runs a NNTP server) and I can't find Bill's initial invitation message. I find a later one from June 1997, cross-posted to lots of comp.sys.* groups, advertising

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On Fri, 14 Oct 2016, Noel Chiappa wrote: do go back that far, so it doesn't look like we're missing much. The earliest ones there are from 13 March 1997, so we may be missing a few, but not many; the first posts are clearly 'hi, here's who am I' kind of things, apparently in response to an

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On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Jason Howe > > > I really really want to aquire a PDP-11 ... Given the price of these > > things in the world right now... > > If you're willing to live with a QBUS machine, and not a UNIBUS one,

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> From: Jason Howe > I really really want to aquire a PDP-11 ... Given the price of these > things in the world right now... If you're willing to live with a QBUS machine, and not a UNIBUS one, it doesn't necessarily take a mountain of money - if you're patient and wait for deals.

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> > "There are plenty of people who play the 8-bit home micro games they > > grew up playing, but many of them (at least the ones I know of) run them > > on a PC-based emulator not the real hardware." > > You don't really think that retro video gaming is the singular, or even the > primary focus

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Spurred by the conversation about the state of the hobby, micro vs mini and the relevance of this list to both classes, I thought I’d articulate what motivates me to those not into the micro scene. I am a micro guy. I was a kid in the late 70s early 80s so that is where my passion lies.

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On Fri, 14 Oct 2016, Pete Turnbull wrote: That's right - except it was started in 1997 and run by Bill Whitson at the University of Washington - and I joined a few months after it started. Same experience as Tony. I normally don't post much here; I read everything, but I don't do much with

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On 10/13/2016 9:39 PM, tony duell wrote: Actually, it wasn't. I have been a member almost from day 1, and my first question to the list founder (I think it was Selam) was 'Are minicomputers welcome on the list, or is it micros only?' Earliest I could find (I think) From ard12 at

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"There are plenty of people who play the 8-bit home micro games they grew up playing, but many of them (at least the ones I know of) run them on a PC-based emulator not the real hardware." You don't really think that retro video gaming is the singular, or even the primary focus of 8-bit micro

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> There are still plenty of enthusiastic, younger folks who are most > definitely into running the "genuine old hardware" - it's just that this > list hasn't traditionally offered much of a draw for these users. As noted, > the list was formed by and for users of the classic-era 'big iron' gear,

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Couple more words on this.. "I do feel the hobby has changed. I haven't, which is why I don't post much here any more. When I started it was all people trying to restore and run the genuine old hardware. Now it seems there are a lot of emulators running on hardware I don't understand" There are

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On 10/13/2016 12:46 PM, tony duell wrote: Perhaps I am one of the lucky ones (for once). I started being interested in classic computers long before most people... ... I do feel the hobby has changed. I haven't, which is why I don't post much here any more. When I started it was all people

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> Recent activity on the list, especially the "Ka... ching!" thread, has > had me reevaluating a lot of what I get out of this hobby. I think there > are two things going on that make it less fun for me now: The money, > and the age of the stuff. I'll try to explain. Perhaps I am one of the

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Funny, there's this 11/23+ (BA11-S style) I bought from Pavl Zachary many years ago, it's been a near-constant companion through all of my moves and most of the VCF Midwests. Despite the bouncing, banging, and shuffling, it's always worked. It ran 24/7 at my home for much of its life, without

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On 10/11/2016 10:07 PM, Seth Morabito wrote: I've ever collected classic computers is because I've loved playing with them. That's really all there is to it. I enjoy the sights, sounds, and smells of firing up vintage computers and seeing them work. Oh, I agree so strongly! On the money

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On 10/11/2016 1:07 PM, Seth Morabito wrote: Hey folks, Recent activity on the list, especially the "Ka... ching!" thread, has had me reevaluating a lot of what I get out of this hobby. I think there are two things going on that make it less fun for me now: The money, and the age of the stuff.

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-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Eric Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 5:41 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Subject: RE: Getting out of the hobby On Oct 11, 2016 3:48 PM, &

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When I decided my collection gave more troubles than fun, I stored everything in plastic boxes and stashed on a room at my mother's house. Some years later...ta-daaa! :D Happiness forever! :D 2016-10-12 1:19 GMT-03:00 Paul Anderson : > Hi Seth, > > I'm sorry to see anyone

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Hi Seth, I'm sorry to see anyone leave the list or the hobby for any reason, but especially because of comments made on the list. I strongly agree with Rob. Hang on to some of your favorite toys. You never know when you might want to play with them again. I have a lot of regrets from letting go

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> > The learning is the best part, I think. It's almost a > > letdown when something is already just working. > > Weird Stuff Warehouse used to put "Guaranteed Not to Work" stickers on some > of the items they sold. One time I bought an Atari 800 with such a sticker, > intending to part it out

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Sigh. For a second there I thought you were going to be getting rid of an 11/45. That would be my dream machine as I used one at Ohio State in the very early days (mid 70's) of computer graphics. I designed one frame buffer and part of another to run on that machine. Marc On Tue, Oct 11, 2016

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On Oct 11, 2016 3:48 PM, "Brad H" wrote: > I always enjoyed the repair aspect of the hobby more than use, although I do > enjoy some use. The learning is the best part, I think. It's almost a > letdown when something is already just working. Weird Stuff

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Yes, some things I've enjoy about the hobby is.. 1. Admiring the "design" aspect of machines back in those days (all unique and all different) and experiencing them hands-on 2. Learning about the machines, their origins and purpose (from reading, watching videos and hands on) and thereby

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-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Seth Morabito Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:07 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Getting out of the hobby Hey folks, Recent activity on the list, especially the "Ka... ching!" thread, has had me

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That is a real shame, but if you aren't enjoying it there us little point carrying on. I also have to agree that it is dispiriting at times when you are constantly dealing with new failures. I suspect though that years later you may regret getting rid of your collection, you hear this from