Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-25 Thread Vincent Slyngstad
From: Doug Ingraham: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:10 PM On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: The only other concern I've had during my thought experiments along this line related again to the current/power involved. The device is likely to become difficult to cool if you achi

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-25 Thread Doug Ingraham
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Vincent Slyngstad < v.slyngs...@frontier.com> wrote: > Please correct me if I'm talking complete bulls**t. This is all >> new to me. >> > > The only other concern I've had during my thought experiments > along this line related again to the current/power involved.

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-25 Thread Vincent Slyngstad
From: David Griffith: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:16 AM On June 24, 2015 1:27:56 AM PDT, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: I like to think that you could shrink the computer by, at least, a factor of four. Probably smaller. I don't think thatt making the flip-chips double-sided will be desirable. I want

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-25 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 04:16:03AM -0700, David Griffith wrote: > > I don't think thatt making the flip-chips double-sided will be > desirable. I want to shrink the machine and minimize any need > to reengineer the backplane. By the way, can the backplane of > a straight-eight be realized as

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-25 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jun 25, 2015, at 7:16 AM, David Griffith wrote: > > ... > I don't think thatt making the flip-chips double-sided will be desirable. I > want to shrink the machine and minimize any need to reengineer the backplane. > By the way, can the backplane of a straight-eight be realized as a PCB?

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-25 Thread David Griffith
On June 24, 2015 1:27:56 AM PDT, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 06:10:38AM +, d...@661.org wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Phil Budne wrote: > > > > >If I were going thru the trouble, I'd want build a TX-0 clone! > > > > I think it would me more interesting to build a repli

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-24 Thread ben
On 6/24/2015 10:01 PM, d...@661.org wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2015, ben wrote: On 6/24/2015 12:10 AM, d...@661.org wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Phil Budne wrote: If I were going thru the trouble, I'd want build a TX-0 clone! I think it would me more interesting to build a replica of a pdp-8 str

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-24 Thread dave
On Wed, 24 Jun 2015, ben wrote: On 6/24/2015 12:10 AM, d...@661.org wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Phil Budne wrote: If I were going thru the trouble, I'd want build a TX-0 clone! I think it would me more interesting to build a replica of a pdp-8 straight-eight using significantly-reduced flip

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-24 Thread ben
On 6/24/2015 12:10 AM, d...@661.org wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Phil Budne wrote: If I were going thru the trouble, I'd want build a TX-0 clone! I think it would me more interesting to build a replica of a pdp-8 straight-eight using significantly-reduced flip chips with surface-mount parts.

RE: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-24 Thread Dave G4UGM
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Pontus > Pihlgren > Sent: 24 June 2015 09:28 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors > > On We

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-24 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 06:10:38AM +, d...@661.org wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Phil Budne wrote: > > >If I were going thru the trouble, I'd want build a TX-0 clone! > > I think it would me more interesting to build a replica of a pdp-8 > straight-eight using significantly-reduced flip chips

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-23 Thread dave
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Phil Budne wrote: If I were going thru the trouble, I'd want build a TX-0 clone! I think it would me more interesting to build a replica of a pdp-8 straight-eight using significantly-reduced flip chips with surface-mount parts. -- David Griffith d...@661.org A: Becaus

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-23 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 06/23/2015 09:38 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: Even the ones that were not spy-approved did that :-) Ain't that the truth! --Chuck

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-23 Thread Mark Linimon
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 03:28:21PM -0700, Chuck Guzis wrote: > followed by a "Mission Impossible" episode where Mr. Phelps > receives his instructions via 4-track tape cartridge (which > self-destructs as usual). Even the ones that were not spy-approved did that :-) mcl

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-23 Thread COURYHOUSE
well how many transistors does our table top straight pdp-8 have?! In a message dated 6/23/2015 4:26:38 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, ccl...@sydex.com writes: On 06/23/2015 04:11 PM, drlegendre . wrote: > When it's done, I hope he mounts it all on a black rectangular table with > 20 s

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-23 Thread Rod Smallwood
Which of course harks back to the Bletchley Park systems built on narrower but similar British Post Office 19" Relay Racks. The predecessors of the modern 19" racks. On 23/06/2015 20:34, Brent Hilpert wrote: On 2015-Jun-23, at 12:27 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: On 23/06/2015 17:20, Phil Budne wr

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-23 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 06/23/2015 04:11 PM, drlegendre . wrote: When it's done, I hope he mounts it all on a black rectangular table with 20 shiny metal legs on each the opposing longer sides. I seem to remember that the Packard-Bell PB250 used only about 400 transistors. (Magnetostrictive delay line memory). Lo

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-23 Thread drlegendre .
When it's done, I hope he mounts it all on a black rectangular table with 20 shiny metal legs on each the opposing longer sides. On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > That one's been around for awhile. Ever watch any old reruns of 60's era > "The Outer Limits"? When there's a c

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-23 Thread Chuck Guzis
That one's been around for awhile. Ever watch any old reruns of 60's era "The Outer Limits"? When there's a computer involved, it's clickety-clackety of relays working. Old TV can be fun. The other day, I saw an episode of "Get Smart" showing a bank of CDC tape drives, followed by a "Missio

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-23 Thread Rod Smallwood
This guy needs help. Send a busload of soldering techs armed with temp controlled metcals and about a ton of tin/lead solder On 23/06/2015 19:37, Jarratt RMA wrote: Yes, I saw that on The Register today. Pretty impressive

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-23 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Jun-23, at 12:27 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > On 23/06/2015 17:20, Phil Budne wrote: >> If I were going thru the trouble, I'd want build a TX-0 clone! >> > Well if that don't take the biscuit for originality. The physical layout concept is actually quite similar to Harry Porter's relay mac

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-23 Thread Rod Smallwood
Well if that don't take the biscuit for originality. Good luck to you sir. Its a living animated schematic. Rod On 23/06/2015 17:20, Phil Budne wrote: If I were going thru the trouble, I'd want build a TX-0 clone!

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-23 Thread Jarratt RMA
Yes, I saw that on The Register today. Pretty impressive. I think it should be called a DuellProcessor. :-) Regards Rob On 23 June 2015 at 16:22, Antonio Carlini wrote: > .Apologies if this has already been posted > > There seems to be someone building a processor from individual transistors:

Re: Megaprocessor - built from individual transistors

2015-06-23 Thread Phil Budne
If I were going thru the trouble, I'd want build a TX-0 clone!