Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On 01/25/2016 09:11 AM, Todd Killingsworth wrote: According to the first Google hit, Warp should be really close in time with your PS/2: ( From http://www.os2museum.com/wp/os2-history/os2-timeline/ ) *OS/2 Warp*—October 1994—Codename Warp IBM distributed free CDs with Warp on them about then,

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

If you're interested in a speed-up, I'm fairly sure a 486DX/2-66 should drop-in for the current 33mhz CPU, without any additional changes. Doubles your core speed and adds the math co-processor in one go. On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:29 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote: > To my surprise, I

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

According to the first Google hit, Warp should be really close in time with your PS/2: ( From http://www.os2museum.com/wp/os2-history/os2-timeline/ ) *OS/2 Warp*—October 1994—Codename Warp - Internal revision 8.162 (94/09/19) - Performance tuned, lower resource requirements - Compatible

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 10:04 , Chuck Guzis wrote: > > However, my recollection of Warp is that you need two floppies available for > the "kicker" loader. Given that PS/2 floppy drives seem to have an > unfortunate propensity toward death, you might want to check those out

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 10:19, drlegendre . wrote: > > You should also be able to attach an external SCSI CD drive using a device > like the Trantor T-348, which is a parallel port -to- SCSI adapter built > into a cable. I should also be able to plug one into the system's

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 09:21, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > IBM distributed free CDs with Warp on them about then, publicizing their > "Developer Connection"--something akin to MSDN. The CD included (IIRC) a C > compiler and a few tools as well. I still have my CD; if you want an

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016, Mark J. Blair wrote: This machine doesn't have a CD drive, and I don't think it ever did based on there being no missing bezel filler panels. But I think that the scsi2sd may be able to emulate a CD drive. I'm off to work now, but this evening I'll poke around to see

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

You should also be able to attach an external SCSI CD drive using a device like the Trantor T-348, which is a parallel port -to- SCSI adapter built into a cable. I've used one many times to load OS onto some weird old machine that lacked any other (easy) options. There are both DOS and Linux

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

This brings back memories. One place I worked used a IBM "Industrial" PS/2. It's main board was the same as a regular PS/2 don't remember the model. We were buying so many of these things IBM set us up as reseller. Still have the "Authorized Reseller" sign somewhere in the basement. These things

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

The 'best' 'prepackaged' version of OS/2 to have is probably the one called 'DemoPkg'. Back in the day it was for IBM and Business Partners internal use only and - as the name suggests - included an OS/2 system preconfigured and installed with a whole bunch of interesting software. Came as a set

Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

On Jan 25, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote: > So, would any of y'all like to help me brainstorm about interesting > applications for this vintage heap, or maybe point me towards non-eBay > sources of software that it would like to run? Great work on the restoration!

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > Short version is, even the cheap and simple 555 has been replaced in > many products with a cheap-as-or-cheaper-than microcontroller, not > because it's simpler, but because it allows for greater flexibility > and

Re: What did computers without screens do?

> From: Chuck Guzis > It's also occurred to me that without screens, we might be better off > today ... The average web-surfing experience blasts the user with tons > of filigree and useless data, but very little useful information. ... > Web sites that have multi-megabyte

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On 12/18/2015 06:40 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: Agree completely. The amount of useless 'eye candy' on the average Web page is, well, appalling. But then again, the low S/N on developing technologies, as worthless content expands faster than high quality - well, that's nothing new, look at TV.

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On 2015-12-18 2:04 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 12/18/2015 06:40 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: Agree completely. The amount of useless 'eye candy' on the average Web page is, well, appalling. But then again, the low S/N on developing technologies, as worthless content expands faster than high quality -

Re: What did computers without screens do?

I deal with modern computing devices with no visual display - or at least, the visual display is not used. My current Day Job is in accessibility, and I make extensive use of screen readers (your Android phone comes with TalkBack, and if you're an iSerf you have VoiceOver). It changes the design

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On 12/17/2015 09:58 AM, Diane Bruce wrote: Old thread, but I remember writing a tic-tac-toe program for the 1401 using the sense switches and lights. Does that count as a display less computer? Certainly, it counts as not having a "screen", which is the topic. And then, I wonder if the

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 04:47:33PM -0700, ben wrote: > On 12/16/2015 1:29 PM, Mike Stein wrote: > > > So you can definitely do lots of useful stuff without a screen, Old thread, but I remember writing a tic-tac-toe program for the 1401 using the sense switches and lights. Does that count as a

RE: What did computers without screens do?

Chuck wrote > ... without screens, we might be better off today ... *Genuflects* Amen. J

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On 12/15/2015 09:13 PM, Mouse wrote: What would you do with a home no screen computer? Depends on what counts as a "screen". If any visible output counts, there isn't much - but I suspect you don't want to go that far. You can connect to it from other computers. I have six machines running

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Mike wrote: > The one question I do have for the older gentlemen on here is what in the > world did the computers without a screen to look at do? Now I know about the > tape, cassette tape's and even the paper with the hole punches in them but > what kind of applications

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On 12/16/2015 1:29 PM, Mike Stein wrote: So you can definitely do lots of useful stuff without a screen, although I imagine NetFlix or YouTube on a Selectric terminal might lose something... m Yes, Audio. :-)

Re: What did computers without screens do?

> On Dec 16, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Liam Proven wrote: > > TIL modern Intel chipsets have a hidden SPARC core (inside Intel's > Management Engine) > https://recon.cx/2014/slides/Recon%202014%20Skochinsky.pdf … (2014) > Don’t get me started on ME. Also be careful about inferring

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On 14 December 2015 at 23:16, Ian S. King wrote: > And think of all the PDP-8s *still* buried in the control units of > factories across the world. The majority of these machines had no > displays, not even teleprinters. Some had custom controls wired in through > stock or custom

Re: What did computers without screens do?

> What would you do with a home no screen computer? Depends on what counts as a "screen". If any visible output counts, there isn't much - but I suspect you don't want to go that far. You can connect to it from other computers. I have six machines running right now with no screens on them

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Mike wrote: > The one question I do have for the older gentlemen on here is what in the > world did the computers without a screen to look at do? Now I know about the > tape, cassette tape's and even the paper with the hole punches in them but > what kind of applications

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On 12/14/2015 06:31 PM, Mike wrote: What would you do with a home no screen computer? I mean what could be done with one that would benefit your work / hobby. I mean NO DISREPECT by asking this question. Well, that would severely limit things. But, it could still be useful. I have one

Re: What did computers without screens do?

What would you do with a home no screen computer? I mean what could be done with one that would benefit your work / hobby. I mean NO DISREPECT by asking this question. Use the lights. Wish for a teletype Buy Don Lancaster's books (How many copies did he sell?) Not having a screen made it a

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On 12/14/2015 04:31 PM, Mike wrote: What would you do with a home no screen computer? I mean what could be done with one that would benefit your work / hobby. I mean NO DISREPECT by asking this question. I saw plenty of early home computers with TTY or Selectric I/O. If you could find a

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On 15 December 2015 at 01:31, Mike wrote: > > On 12/14/2015 08:21 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> Personally, I think the world is GUI-addicted. >> >> --Chuck >> > Chuck If I may ask... > > > What would you do with a home no screen computer? I mean what could be > done with

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On 15/12/2015 00:31, Mike wrote: On 12/14/2015 08:21 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 12/14/2015 03:53 PM, Jay West wrote: In any case... early computers without screens weren't necessarily so "early" in the scheme of things, and often did process control and test & measurement :) The IBM 1710

RE: What did computers without screens do?

I spent a lot of time in my early career on Allen-Bradley PLC 3's & 5's. They were definitely computers - no screens, and obviously purpose built for process control. But then I started thinking... the HP 2100's that are the focus of my collecting, very often (usually, actually) didn't have

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On 12/14/2015 03:53 PM, Jay West wrote: In any case... early computers without screens weren't necessarily so "early" in the scheme of things, and often did process control and test & measurement :) The IBM 1710 didn't have a screen; neither did the 1800. Personally, I think the world is

RE: What did computers without screens do?

> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Paul > Koning > Sent: 14 December 2015 17:55 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: What did computers without scre

Re: What did computers without screens do?

And think of all the PDP-8s *still* buried in the control units of factories across the world. The majority of these machines had no displays, not even teleprinters. Some had custom controls wired in through stock or custom modules, and some had no more "UI" than the front panel ("set switches 2

Re: What did computers without screens do?

> The IBM 1710 didn't have a screen; neither did the 1800. It was an option on the 1800, using a cheap TV. I have docs (not much) for it. -- Will

Re: What did computers without screens do?

> On Dec 14, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Mike wrote: >> The one question I do have for the older gentlemen on here is what in the >> world did the computers without a screen to look at do? Now I know about the >> tape, cassette

Re: What did computers without screens do?

I am starting to think that the age of the PDP-8 is finally coming to a close. The last bastion of PDP-8ness - controlling machine tools and industrial processes - well, think about that. When was the last time you *actually* *saw* a PDP-8 in production doing this? The US has very little left in

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On Mon, 14 Dec 2015, Mike wrote: Thank you Paul for that reply I have learned more about the history in the short time I have been on here than I have if I would have spent 10 bagillion dollars in collage I'm just a busted up old welder now but I wet to collage for that and it was not cheap I

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On 12/14/2015 08:21 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 12/14/2015 03:53 PM, Jay West wrote: > >> In any case... early computers without screens weren't necessarily so >> "early" in the scheme of things, and often did process control and >> test & measurement :) > > The IBM 1710 didn't have a screen;

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On 12/14/2015 11:34 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: The subject brought up the thought of how many display-less computers we encounter every day without giving it a thought. I think that probably 100 would be a safe bet. Looking over past this screen, I see my network hub, mouse, keyboard and heaven

Re: What did computers without screens do?

> From: Mike > The one question I do have for the older gentlemen on here is what in > the world did the computers without a screen to look at do? There are a number of different generations, and the way they were used generally depended on what the computer in question had for

Re: What did computers without screens do?

> On Dec 14, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > The subject brought up the thought of how many display-less computers we > encounter every day without giving it a thought. I think that probably 100 > would be a safe bet. > > Looking over past this screen, I see my

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Mike wrote: > The one question I do have for the older gentlemen on here is what in the > world did the computers without a screen to look at do? Now I know about the > tape, cassette tape's and even the paper with the hole punches in them but > what kind of applications

Re: What did computers without screens do?

The subject brought up the thought of how many display-less computers we encounter every day without giving it a thought. I think that probably 100 would be a safe bet. Looking over past this screen, I see my network hub, mouse, keyboard and heaven knows how many display-less computers

Re: What kind of keyboard is this?

On 07/09/2015 03:16, "Win Heagy" wrote: > I picked this up at Radio Shack about 25-30 years ago and have been > hauling it around ever since. > > http://imgur.com/oNEcRFv,VacFqrY#0 > (There should be two images...a link to the second.) > > It was a surplus thing that RS was

Re: CDC disk drives (was Re: what IBM system is this?)

On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:27 AM, P Gebhardt p.gebha...@ymail.com wrote: I remember encountering them mostly as replacements for the terrible 821 drives, which had the appearance of an 808, but substantially increased capacity. I don't think any 821s were ever installed at a customer's

Re: CDC disk drives (was Re: what IBM system is this?)

On 07/09/2015 06:49 AM, Paul Koning wrote: Chuck, what (in this context) is a “MAC”? Multiple Access Controller--pretty much just a software-programmable switch. At one time, was strictly a QSE--we used them extensively on 4-Cyber configurations sharing 4MW of ECS and multiple peripherals.

Re: CDC disk drives (was Re: what IBM system is this?)

I remember encountering them mostly as replacements for the terrible 821 drives, which had the appearance of an 808, but substantially increased capacity. I don't think any 821s were ever installed at a customer's site, however--I saw the lot of them that we had falling to the CE

Re: CDC disk drives (was Re: what IBM system is this?)

Wow, more than hundred of these CDC drives??? This must have been a massive installation! I didn't know so many disk drives could be combined with Cyber systems. Thanks for the insights! Pretty much any of the big mainframes of the day - IBM, Univac, CDC, Burroughs, and so forth - could deal

Re: CDC disk drives (was Re: what IBM system is this?)

- Original Message - From: P Gebhardt p.gebha...@ymail.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:27 AM ... Wow, more than hundred of these CDC drives??? This must have been a massive installation! I didn't know so many disk drives could be combined with Cyber systems. Thanks for the

Re: CDC disk drives (was Re: what IBM system is this?)

During my mid- to late-80s tenure at Georgia Tech, we had 2 x Cyber 180/855, 2 x Cyber 180/830 and 1 x Cyber 180/990. I'll have to ask around for someone with better memory than me as to how many, but we had quite an ocean of disks. KJ

RE: Computing history at CERN - Re: what IBM system is this?

-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis Sent: 05 July 2015 04:14 To: gene...@classiccmp.org; discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off- Topic Posts Subject: Re: Computing history at CERN - Re: what IBM system

Re: Computing history at CERN - Re: what IBM system is this?

2015 04:14 To: gene...@classiccmp.org; discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off- Topic Posts Subject: Re: Computing history at CERN - Re: what IBM system is this? On 07/04/2015 08:07 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: Note that that room is just for DD division machines - general computing services: data

CDC disk drives (was Re: what IBM system is this?)

I don't believe you're looking at a single system. Note the banks of CDC 844 disk drives in the foreground (you can even make out the Control Data logo. Chuck, I would have guessed these are 9756/9780 type of drives (100 and 200MB disk packs, respectively). But I just saw that the

Re: CDC disk drives (was Re: what IBM system is this?)

On 07/05/2015 03:01 AM, P Gebhardt wrote: Chuck, I would have guessed these are 9756/9780 type of drives (100 and 200MB disk packs, respectively). But I just saw that the 844-41 also uses high-capacity disk packs (in contrast to the original plain 844). Pierre, I see these as 844s--but for

Computing history at CERN - Re: what IBM system is this?

On 2015-07-04 7:37 PM, simon wrote: found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this. https://cds.cern.ch/record/1847692 There's a pretty prominent 7890 on those cpu(?) cabinets. Is it the IBM-compatible Siemens 7890(S) mentioned here?

Re: what IBM system is this?

From: Simon Claessen what IBM system is this. Now _that_ is a mainframe!! :-) :-) Noel

Re: Computing history at CERN - Re: what IBM system is this?

On Sat, 4 Jul 2015, Toby Thain wrote: On 2015-07-04 7:37 PM, simon wrote: found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this. https://cds.cern.ch/record/1847692 There's a pretty prominent 7890 on those cpu(?) cabinets. Is it the IBM-compatible Siemens

Re: Computing history at CERN - Re: what IBM system is this?

On 2015-Jul-04, at 7:15 PM, d...@661.org wrote: On Sat, 4 Jul 2015, Toby Thain wrote: On 2015-07-04 7:37 PM, simon wrote: found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this. https://cds.cern.ch/record/1847692 There's a pretty prominent 7890 on those

Re: what IBM system is this?

Dunno.. but look at the bevy of machines in the lower-right, the ones with clear windows in the top. Those are all platter drives (HDD), aren't they? On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 6:37 PM, simon sim...@dds.nl wrote: found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this.

Re: what IBM system is this?

On 07/04/2015 04:37 PM, simon wrote: found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this. https://cds.cern.ch/record/1847692 I don't believe you're looking at a single system. Note the banks of CDC 844 disk drives in the foreground (you can even make out the

Re: what IBM system is this?

On Sat, 7/4/15, Chuck Guzis ccl...@sydex.com wrote: found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this. https://cds.cern.ch/record/1847692 I don't believe you're looking at a single system.  Note the banks of CDC 844 disk drives in the foreground (you can

Re: what IBM system is this?

- Original Message - From: Chuck Guzis ccl...@sydex.com To: gene...@classiccmp.org, discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk@classiccmp.org Sent: Sunday, 5 July, 2015 1:13:31 AM Subject: Re: what IBM system is this? On 07/04/2015 04:37 PM, simon wrote: found

Re: what IBM system is this?

found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this. https://cds.cern.ch/record/1847692 It looks like a 3081. -- Will

Re: what IBM system is this?

found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this. https://cds.cern.ch/record/1847692 Looks like CDC gear to me. De

Re: what IBM system is this?

Sigh, CDC... back when Minnesota was a real player in the big iron world. Their original main office used to be hardly more than a stone's throw from where I sit typing this. Being it's the 4th, I'll bet at least one of my neighbors lands a burned-out rocket on top of the building that sits where

Re: what IBM system is this?

I don't believe you're looking at a single system. Note the banks of CDC 844 disk drives in the foreground (you can even make out the Control Data logo. I suspect that the cross and 3/4 cross CPUs are CDC CYBER 170s (or 180s). So, not really IBM at all I have started the clock, Chuck...

Re: what IBM system is this?

On 07/04/2015 05:20 PM, drlegendre . wrote: Sigh, CDC... back when Minnesota was a real player in the big iron world. Their original main office used to be hardly more than a stone's throw from where I sit typing this. CDC Arden Hills? Glad I'm not there now--wait for the sun to go down and

Re: what IBM system is this?

On 07/04/2015 05:20 PM, simon wrote: It is a mixed system. note the IBM 360 tapedrives in the background. there are more photos of this room on the site. Toby pointed to some documents about the computer history at cern. his link is very nice to read. Sorry Simon, I thought folks were

Re: what IBM system is this?

On 2015-Jul-04, at 6:32 PM, ANDY HOLT wrote: - Original Message - From: Chuck Guzis ccl...@sydex.com To: gene...@classiccmp.org, discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk@classiccmp.org Sent: Sunday, 5 July, 2015 1:13:31 AM Subject: Re: what IBM system

Re: Computing history at CERN - Re: what IBM system is this?

On 07/04/2015 08:07 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: Note that that room is just for DD division machines - general computing services: data processing, number crunching, external networking, etc. At the time, the accelerator control was being done by Norsk-Data minis located in the accelerator

Re: what IBM system is this?

A bit of Google-fu suggests that this is part(!) of an installation that includes a Siemens 7890 An IBM 3090E (those crosses right of centre) A Cray X/MP (don't think it is in photo) A substantial VAXcluster (part of which is just visible at the back on the right) I do not think this is

Re: What are the differences between the DEC RP11-C and RP11-E controllers?

.Juni 2015 Betreff: Re: What are the differences between the DEC RP11-C and RP11-E controllers? The RP11-E is a newer, but about same size, than the RP11-C. I don't remember the differences, but i went to Chicago and was trained on both in the late 70's. I have a few cabinets

Re: What are the differences between the DEC RP11-C and RP11-E controllers?

I have an RP11. In my copious free time I'll see what flavor it is. It'll be at least a month though, I'm just leaving on a big vacation! :-) - remind me then! Mike On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Paul Koning paulkon...@comcast.net wrote: On Jun 22, 2015, at 4:24 PM, P Gebhardt

Re: What are the differences between the DEC RP11-C and RP11-E controllers?

The Edited Option / Module List 21-APR-83 Page 620, 621 says: RP11 CONTROL FOR 8 RP02 OR RP03 RP11-CA CONT,CAB FOR 8 RP03-AS (20M 16BIT WORDS) 120V RP11-CB CONT,CAB FOR 8 PR03-BS (20M 16BIT WORDS) 240V RP11-E RPR02 CONTROL RP11-EARPR02 RP03 CONTROL H950 CAB,120V RP11-EB

Re: What are the differences between the DEC RP11-C and RP11-E controllers?

On Jun 22, 2015, at 4:24 PM, P Gebhardt p.gebha...@ymail.com wrote: Hi list, the subject sais it all: While seeking for information on the RP11-C on the web (I saved a RP03 from being scrapped 3 years ago), I came across a hint, that there was also a RP11-E controller. At least using

<    1   2   3   4   5   6