Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

2016-09-15 Thread geneb
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016, Rich Alderson wrote: If you want to change a subject please start a new thread, and if you wish you can give the new thread a subject line such as "New Subject (was Old Subject)" to reflect its origin. Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been t

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

2016-09-15 Thread Liam Proven
On 14 September 2016 at 19:12, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: > Cool. I was a big fan of running Netware over Token Ring. But remember > eventually > just getting crushed by cheap and easier to install ethernet. One of my > main clients at > the time was on 4mb Token, and we were asked for a proposa

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

2016-09-15 Thread Liam Proven
On 14 September 2016 at 18:15, tony duell wrote: >> > * LittleBigLAN(never heard of or saw) >> > * The $25 Network (never heard of or saw) >> >> Odd... They were sold in the UK as being American imports... > > Dare I suggest that perhaps they flopped in the states so they > tried to flog them

Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

2016-09-15 Thread Liam Proven
On 15 September 2016 at 01:28, Rich Alderson wrote: > Any decent newsreader or threading mail > reader knows how to deal with that, and threading is unbroken. Would that this were true. Of course, many would say that Gmail is not a decent MUA; however, it's the best for my needs these days. Eve

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

2016-09-14 Thread Wayne Sudol
Re: Tacky Ring (what we used to call it) vs Enet. IIRC one of the issues going forward with TR was that it was mostly an IBM design (patented?) and the prices of TR chips available to card manufacturers was pretty high. This was around 1988. I think that the reason for the high cost was that ther

Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

2016-09-14 Thread Eric Smith
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > Not the standard, but a convention. > > The standard is documented in RFC 5322 section 3.6.4 (and dates back to > RFC822). I think you may mean RFC 5322 section 3.6.5, which does give a "MAY" suggestion for the use of "Re: " at the start

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

2016-09-14 Thread Jerry Kemp
Banyan Vines - did LOTS of Banyan stuff from the military. Thousands of end users. Great stuff, but Banyan had no more product marketing skills than IBM did with OS/2. The Banyan NOS stuff ran on top of a SysV Release III Unix if I remember correctly. Its been a while. ARCnet - saw some of

Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

2016-09-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been to change the subject line, with the old subject in SQUARE BRACKETS with the characters "was: " prepended. Not the standard, but a convention. The standard is documented in RFC 5322 section 3.6.4 (and dates back to RFC822).

changing Subject header in thread [was Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]]

2016-09-14 Thread Eric Smith
Rich Alderson wrote: > Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been to > change the subject line, with the old subject in SQUARE BRACKETS with the > characters "was: " prepended. Any decent newsreader or threading mail > reader knows how to deal with that, and threading is

Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

2016-09-14 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Dale H. Cook Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:52 AM > Please do not change the subject line in a thread. The subject line of > this thread has been changed twice since it began as "68K Macs with MacOS > 7.5 still in production use..." When you change a subject line the header > informat

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

2016-09-14 Thread Chuck Guzis
Earliest networking? Not telco lines, but hardwired stuff. I recall that in 1974/75 I was making one of my trips to Control Data Arden Hills and noticed a backhoe at work digging a trench around the employee's parking lot in back of the main building. I asked what was going on and was told that

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

2016-09-14 Thread j...@cimmeri.com
On 9/14/2016 11:04 AM, william degnan wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:56 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: I too started in 1988, doing the same kind of work (mid-Atlantic region, USA), same number and types of places. Just to compare: * Banyan VINES(never saw) * Corvus (saw on

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

2016-09-14 Thread Dale H. Cook
At 11:56 AM 9/14/2016, js wrote: >On 9/14/2016 8:50 AM, Liam Proven wrote: >>On 14 September 2016 at 03:08, Chuck Guzis wrote: Folks - Please do not change the subject line in a thread. The subject line of this thread has been changed twice since it began as "68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

2016-09-14 Thread Fred Cisin
Orchid PC-Net Tallgrass

RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

2016-09-14 Thread tony duell
> > * LittleBigLAN(never heard of or saw) > > * The $25 Network (never heard of or saw) > > Odd... They were sold in the UK as being American imports... Dare I suggest that perhaps they flopped in the states so they tried to flog them to us :-) > I never saw CP/M networked in my life. I'v

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

2016-09-14 Thread Liam Proven
On 14 September 2016 at 17:56, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: > I too started in 1988, doing the same kind of work (mid-Atlantic region, > USA), same number and types of places. Just to compare: > > * Banyan VINES(never saw) > * Corvus (saw once) > * ARCnet (saw many times) I hone

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

2016-09-14 Thread william degnan
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:56 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: > > > > I too started in 1988, doing the same kind of work (mid-Atlantic region, > USA), same number and types of places. Just to compare: > > * Banyan VINES(never saw) > * Corvus (saw once) > * ARCnet (saw many time

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

2016-09-14 Thread j...@cimmeri.com
On 9/14/2016 8:50 AM, Liam Proven wrote: On 14 September 2016 at 03:08, Chuck Guzis wrote: There were networking packages for the PC early on. Remember Banyan? They date from 1985. Corvus? Even Datapoint had an ARCnet facility for PCs in 1984. Quite a few vendors had 802.3 capability. Ne