On 2021-01-03 05:18, Jos Dreesen via cctalk wrote:
Hello Jos,
I saw on a German web, that you're planing on a SAGE II remake?
Still toying with it?
Cheers
mån 2021-01-04 klockan 16:38 +0100 skrev Liam Proven via cctalk:
>
> The Sinclair QL was arguably the first affordable mass-market 68K
> box,
> and it used the somewhat crippled 68008 and 8-bit RAM to keep costs
> down.
>
The veird machine is the Luxor ABC 1600 computer.
It was a test from
> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:00 AM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 2021-01-02 22:34, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2021, Liam via cctalk wrote:
>>> I'm not really familiar with SAGE machines. They were not as
>>> well-known in the UK, I think, being upmarket from
On 1/4/2021 10:26 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 17:42, Bill Degnan wrote:
Agreed.
A fully provisioned IBM PC / XT in 1981-4 was pretty expensive too, that's why
8-bit machines continued to sell well into the later 80's. 16-bit was overkill
for most home needs.
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 17:42, Bill Degnan wrote:
>
> Agreed.
>
> A fully provisioned IBM PC / XT in 1981-4 was pretty expensive too, that's
> why 8-bit machines continued to sell well into the later 80's. 16-bit was
> overkill for most home needs. Apple would not have survived the 80's
> I suppose that the 68K only trickled down to the home/consumer market
> after about 5 years. The original Mac was circa $2.5K and the Lisa was
> around $10K -- *not* home computer prices for most people, even in the
> USA.
>
> The Sinclair QL was arguably the first affordable mass-market 68K
On 2021-01-02 22:34, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jan 2021, Liam via cctalk wrote:
>> I'm not really familiar with SAGE machines. They were not as
>> well-known in the UK, I think, being upmarket from the Apple ][ and
>> IBM PC, both of which were eye-wateringly expensive by UK
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 15:35, emanuel stiebler wrote:
>
> I guess we have to be careful, comparing machines & CPUs.
> 68000 came out as a CPU in 1980/1981 (available on the market (?))
>
> You're comparing it to a ARM2 machine of 1987, where Motorola had the
> newer 68020, and 68030 by than ...
On 2021-01-03 19:08, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 at 03:53, Boris Gimbarzevsky
> wrote:
>>
>> Ran into 68000 processor for
>> first time in 1986 when my father bought a 512 K
>> Mac and couldn't believe performance of this CPU
>
> It is odd. I had read of it, of course,
On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 at 03:53, Boris Gimbarzevsky wrote:
>
> Ran into 68000 processor for
> first time in 1986 when my father bought a 512 K
> Mac and couldn't believe performance of this CPU
It is odd. I had read of it, of course, but for me the revelation was
getting an Acorn Archimedes in
On 2021-01-03 05:18, Jos Dreesen via cctalk wrote:
> On 03.01.21 01:11, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
>> This may be old news -- it was new to me, though.
>>
>> https://suddendisruption.blogspot.com/search/label/Booting%20Sage%20Computer
>>
>>
> The story is around for several years already, but
On 03.01.21 01:11, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
This may be old news -- it was new to me, though.
https://suddendisruption.blogspot.com/search/label/Booting%20Sage%20Computer
The story is around for several years already, but yes : interesting read
indeed.
Speaking of which :
I am
Apparently someone wrote:
> Thanks for the link as didn't realize 68000 was
> used for home systems before I ran into Mac.
>
The SAGE certainly wasn't a "home system" in the sense that the Macintosh
was. I mean, sure, there were undoubtedly a few people that bought one for
home use, but it was
> Thanks for the link as didn't realize 68000 was
> used for home systems before I ran into Mac.
Don't forget about Alpha Micro, though they preferred to be in multi-user
vertically integrated environments rather than the engineering and personal
use SAGE seemed to be targetting.
--
On 1/2/2021 7:23 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jan 2021, Nigel Johnson via cctalk wrote:
For one exciting moment there I thought that you were talking about the
Semi-Automatic Ground Environment - which a friend of mine was a tech on
in North Bay, ON, part of the DEW line!
I was
On Sat, 2 Jan 2021, Liam via cctalk wrote:
I'm not really familiar with SAGE machines. They were not as
well-known in the UK, I think, being upmarket from the Apple ][ and
IBM PC, both of which were eye-wateringly expensive by UK standards of
the time.
Possibly, they weren't aimed at the
I also had the opportunity to visit the UGC, but after operations had moved
aboveground. The followup to SAGE, the AN/FYQ93 (ROCC, SOCC, JSS) equipment
was still in place, but powered down. This was in 2007. I had previously
worked on both SAGE and the ROCC at McChord AFB as a computer
North Bay is not on the DEW line the DEW line is above the arctic circle
and while North Bay may seem like the far north to some it is a long way
below the arctic circle is actually at about the level of the Pine Tree
Line. CFB North Bay was the SAGE site for the 22nd NORAD region. The
SAGE
Probably read about this machine in Byte back
then but was programming PDP-11's. Was very
disappointed in IBM PC as IMO was far inferior to
PDP-11 which was was easier to interface to data
acquisition hardware and had a much nicer
instruction set. Ran into 68000 processor for
first time in
On Sat, 2 Jan 2021, Nigel Johnson via cctalk wrote:
For one exciting moment there I thought that you were talking about the
Semi-Automatic Ground Environment - which a friend of mine was a tech on
in North Bay, ON, part of the DEW line!
I was getting ready to up stakes and hop off to
For one exciting moment there I thought that you were talking about the
Semi-Automatic Ground Environment - which a friend of mine was a tech on
in North Bay, ON, part of the DEW line!
I was getting ready to up stakes and hop off to Philadelphia!
cheers,
Nigel
Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE,
On Sat, Jan 2, 2021, 7:11 PM Liam Proven via cctalk
wrote:
> This may be old news -- it was new to me, though.
>
>
> https://suddendisruption.blogspot.com/search/label/Booting%20Sage%20Computer
>
> I'm not really familiar with SAGE machines. They were not as
> well-known in the UK, I think,
This may be old news -- it was new to me, though.
https://suddendisruption.blogspot.com/search/label/Booting%20Sage%20Computer
I'm not really familiar with SAGE machines. They were not as
well-known in the UK, I think, being upmarket from the Apple ][ and
IBM PC, both of which were
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