Re: SIMH on low overhead platform

2020-08-20 Thread Chris Hanson via cctalk
On Aug 20, 2020, at 4:30 AM, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: > It's debateable whether or not the all-in-one builds are good or bad. > Ie. GCC went into quite some development effort to gain LTO (link-time > optimization) up'n'running, which was built quite exactly to allow > optimizations that would ot

Re: SIMH on low overhead platform

2020-08-20 Thread Jan-Benedict Glaw via cctalk
On Tue, 2020-08-18 19:52:47 -0700, Chris Hanson via cctalk wrote: > On Aug 18, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > > On 8/17/20 5:34 PM, Chris Hanson via cctalk wrote: > > > One thing that would make it much easier to experiment with SIMH > > > in scenarios like this is if its

Re: SIMH on low overhead platform

2020-08-19 Thread John Klos via cctalk
On Aug 17, 2020, at 12:43 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > > Has SIMH been ported to a low overhead (instant-on) platform? I use NetBSD on a surplus HP ProLiant DL360p Gen8, NetBSD 9.0-stable boots in just a few seconds. The hardware itself takes a couple minutes to go through its bootstrap

Re: SIMH on low overhead platform

2020-08-18 Thread Chris Hanson via cctalk
On Aug 18, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > On 8/17/20 5:34 PM, Chris Hanson via cctalk wrote: >> One thing that would make it much easier to experiment with SIMH in >> scenarios like this is if its build system wasn't horribly redundant. > > Why are you mentioning SIMH's /

Re: SIMH on low overhead platform

2020-08-18 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 8/17/20 5:34 PM, Chris Hanson via cctalk wrote: One thing that would make it much easier to experiment with SIMH in scenarios like this is if its build system wasn't horribly redundant. Why are you mentioning SIMH's /build/ system in a thread discussion boot times? I wouldn't object if SI

Re: SIMH on low overhead platform

2020-08-17 Thread Chris Hanson via cctalk
On Aug 17, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Chris Hanson via cctalk wrote: > > NetBSD runs SIMH just fine and can be made to boot extremely quickly. Oh yeah, NetBSD 9.0-stable 64-bit also only takes a few seconds to boot on a Raspberry Pi 3B+. It's easy enough to just throw on an SD card and try out. Alas t

Re: SIMH on low overhead platform

2020-08-17 Thread Chris Hanson via cctalk
One thing that would make it much easier to experiment with SIMH in scenarios like this is if its build system wasn't horribly redundant. It genuinely looks like someone looked at make and said "How can I turn this into a procedural scripting system?" and then wrote the SIMH makefile in that sty

Re: SIMH on low overhead platform

2020-08-17 Thread Chris Hanson via cctalk
On Aug 17, 2020, at 12:43 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > > Has SIMH been ported to a low overhead (instant-on) platform? > > I ask the question because the startup time of Linux is distracting when > powering on a PiDP-11/70 or similar clone systems based on SIMH. NetBSD runs SIMH just fin

Re: SIMH on low overhead platform

2020-08-17 Thread Ed Groenenberg via cctalk
August 17, 2020 7:50 PM, "Chuck Guzis via cctalk" wrote: > On 8/17/20 12:43 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > >> Has SIMH been ported to a low overhead (instant-on) platform? >> >> I ask the question because the startup time of Linux is distracting when >> powering on a PiDP-11/70 or similar c

Re: SIMH on low overhead platform

2020-08-17 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 8/17/20 12:43 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > Has SIMH been ported to a low overhead (instant-on) platform? > > I ask the question because the startup time of Linux is distracting when > powering on a PiDP-11/70 or similar clone systems based on SIMH. There are some very small versions of L

Re: SIMH on low overhead platform

2020-08-17 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Aug 17, 2020, at 3:43 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk > wrote: > > Has SIMH been ported to a low overhead (instant-on) platform? > > I ask the question because the startup time of Linux is distracting when > powering on a PiDP-11/70 or similar clone systems based on SIMH. > > Thanks > Tom Hu

Re: SIMH on low overhead platform

2020-08-17 Thread David Kuder via cctalk
There are multiple libraries for bare metal execution on the Pi, there are trade offs with device support. Circle comes to mind https://github.com/rsta2/circle On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 11:14 AM Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 09:43, Tom Hunter via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Ha

Re: SIMH on low overhead platform

2020-08-17 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 09:43, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > > Has SIMH been ported to a low overhead (instant-on) platform? > > I ask the question because the startup time of Linux is distracting when > powering on a PiDP-11/70 or similar clone systems based on SIMH. Not that I know of. I have

Re: SIMH on low overhead platform

2020-08-17 Thread Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
Andrew Back wrote: > Also wondered if SimH could be ported to a UEFI application. The > environment seems to provide some O/S like features, but no idea how > much would be missing or significantly different. I made a set of stubs to compile and link a simulator without the SIMH framework. Empty

Re: SIMH on low overhead platform

2020-08-17 Thread Andrew Back via cctalk
On 17/08/2020 08:43, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > Has SIMH been ported to a low overhead (instant-on) platform? > > I ask the question because the startup time of Linux is distracting when > powering on a PiDP-11/70 or similar clone systems based on SIMH. Haven't seen anything, but Linux can be

SIMH on low overhead platform

2020-08-17 Thread Tom Hunter via cctalk
Has SIMH been ported to a low overhead (instant-on) platform? I ask the question because the startup time of Linux is distracting when powering on a PiDP-11/70 or similar clone systems based on SIMH. Thanks Tom Hunter