Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Chris Elmquist
On Wednesday (11/04/2015 at 09:05AM -0800), Fred Cisin wrote: > > My comment was not a serious question about the LAW. It was about > the idiocy of creating a new set of names for parts that were the > same, by each manufacturer. And speculating that maybe they were so > idiotic that THEY consid

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 11/04/2015 09:49 AM, Paul Berger wrote: ROS (Read Only Memory) Same for CDC. Given the weird and wonderful storage devices that were developed in earlier days, calling a random-access (although it could be posited that tape can be random access) storage device a "disk" is just wrong in m

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Mike Ross
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 11/04/2015 10:42 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: >> >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: >>> >>> Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC versus "folder" versus "directory" >>> versus "FNT"...versus...? >>> So many names... >> >> >> Was it considered "

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Paul Berger
On 2015-11-04 1:37 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 11/04/2015 10:42 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC versus "folder" versus "directory" versus "FNT"...versus...? So many names... Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the s

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread geneb
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Charles Anthony wrote: On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, geneb wrote: FADID. Where do I send the consulting bill? I'm not familiar with that one. It just might be unique enough to keep anybody from confusing our fadids from somebody else's keyboards Finger Accessible Data Input De

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Jon Elson
On 11/04/2015 10:42 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC versus "folder" versus "directory" versus "FNT"...versus...? So many names... Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the same terminology as somebody else? Like

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Charles Anthony
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 9:24 AM, geneb wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: >>> "Hmmm. What else could we call the keyboard?" >>> >> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, geneb wrote: >> >>> FADID. Where do I send the consulting bill? >>> >> >> I'm not

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread geneb
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: "Hmmm. What else could we call the keyboard?" On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, geneb wrote: FADID. Where do I send the consulting bill? I'm not familiar with that one. It just might be unique enough to keep anybody from confu

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: "Hmmm. What else could we call the keyboard?" On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, geneb wrote: FADID. Where do I send the consulting bill? I'm not familiar with that one. It just might be unique enough to keep anybody from confusing our fadids from somebody else's ke

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 11/04/2015 08:42 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the same terminology as somebody else? Like "standards" everybody had a unique one of their own. I don't think so; they're just terms of art. But didn't/doesn't Intel claim copyright on their opcod

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread geneb
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: "Hmmm. What else could we call the keyboard?" FADID. Where do I send the consulting bill? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people col

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Fred Cisin
Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC versus "folder" versus "directory" versus "FNT"...versus...? So many names... Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the same terminology as somebody else? On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Paul Koning wrote: No, it could not be. It could be trademark infr

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Paul Koning
> On Nov 4, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC versus "folder" versus "directory" >> versus "FNT"...versus...? >> So many names... > > Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the same terminology as

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Fred Cisin
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC versus "folder" versus "directory" versus "FNT"...versus...? So many names... Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the same terminology as somebody else? Like "standards" everybody had a unique one of

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-03 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 11/03/2015 11:25 PM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 01:37:27PM -0800, Chuck Guzis wrote: RMS = "Rotating Mass Storage" = CDC term. That so explains this picture: https://stallman.org/RMS_13_bendicindo.jpg :-D Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC versus "folder" versus

RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-03 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 01:37:27PM -0800, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > RMS = "Rotating Mass Storage" = CDC term. That so explains this picture: https://stallman.org/RMS_13_bendicindo.jpg :-D /P

Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]

2015-11-03 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 11/03/2015 11:56 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: From: Rich Alderson You know, the same company that does not have dis[kc]s, but DASD. Some guy from IBM came to MIT to give a talk about some database system that they had, and he kept referring to 'DASD'. Puzzled looks. Finally some brave soul stu

Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]

2015-11-03 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Rich Alderson > You know, the same company that does not have dis[kc]s, but DASD. Some guy from IBM came to MIT to give a talk about some database system that they had, and he kept referring to 'DASD'. Puzzled looks. Finally some brave soul stuck up his hand, and asked was a DASD

Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]

2015-11-03 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 11/03/2015 10:26 AM, Rich Alderson wrote: Mike Ross Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 7:15 PM One does not boot a mainframe; one IPLs it. :) Only if said mainframe is from a company with HQ in Armonk, NY. ;-> Yup, I was used to "deadstarting" systems. --Chuck

Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]

2015-11-03 Thread Paul Koning
> On Nov 3, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Rich Alderson > wrote: > > Mike Ross > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 7:15 PM > >> One does not boot a mainframe; one IPLs it. :) > > Only if said mainframe is from a company with HQ in Armonk, NY. ;-> > > You know, the same company that does not have dis[kc]s

Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]

2015-11-03 Thread Rich Alderson
Mike Ross Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 7:15 PM > One does not boot a mainframe; one IPLs it. :) Only if said mainframe is from a company with HQ in Armonk, NY. ;-> You know, the same company that does not have dis[kc]s, but DASD.