From: Chuck Guzis
>Early internet systems--I'm not sure where to draw the line between
>Usenet, ARPANet and Internet exactly often employed nothing more than
>POTS networking, using nothing more than UUCP or similar methods.
We were quite certain our Datakit X.25 network was on the Internet
(late
On 2015-10-24 19:53, Fred Cisin wrote:
> Well, it is not correct when we then include that it is 43 years
old...
> Internets using TCP/IP is a bit over 30 years old, but not over 40.
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015, Noel Chiappa wrote:
Good point! {Does a little math in his head...} 43 years, that g
> Well, it is not correct when we then include that it is 43 years old...
> Internets using TCP/IP is a bit over 30 years old, but not over 40.
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015, Noel Chiappa wrote:
Good point! {Does a little math in his head...} 43 years, that gives us 1972.
The OP was clearly thinkin
> From: Johnny Billquist
> Well, it is not correct when we then include that it is 43 years old...
> Internets using TCP/IP is a bit over 30 years old, but not over 40.
Good point! {Does a little math in his head...} 43 years, that gives us 1972.
The OP was clearly thinking of the ARP
On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 08:58:58AM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2015-10-24 00:22, ANDY HOLT wrote:
> >
> > Don't get me wrong... Emacs isn't a bad OS... Too bad there isn't a decent
> > text editor for it.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> >
> > Ah,
On 2015-10-24 00:22, ANDY HOLT wrote:
Don't get me wrong... Emacs isn't a bad OS... Too bad there isn't a decent text
editor for it.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
Ah, but nowadays who cares about
"Eight Megabytes and Continual Swapping"
(well, the first part anyhow) w
On 2015-10-23 19:06, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Johnny Billquist
> not going to try and contradict what you wrote.
Right, I wasn't meaning to imply what you said was incorrect, just giving a
little more detail on what was a murky and complicated process.
> I suspect it's becaus
On 10/23/2015 8:28 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
On 10/23/2015 3:29 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Bill Sudbrink wrote:
I'd expect wide-eyed stares from a vi user... ;-)
Q: What goes "beep beep beep"?
A: A Little Nash Rambler... and a vi novice.
-ethan
ROTFL.
JRJ
Microdata Realit
On 10/23/2015 3:29 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Bill Sudbrink wrote:
>
> I'd expect wide-eyed stares from a vi user... ;-)
>
>
> Q: What goes "beep beep beep"?
>
> A: A Little Nash Rambler... and a vi novice.
>
> -ethan
>
ROTFL.
JRJ
On 10/22/2015 7:54 PM, Murray McCullough wrote:
> 43 years ago around this time the Internet we use to communicate with
> was probably made possible because of TCP/IP, or Transmission Control
> Protocol/Internet Protocol created at Stanford University. Today 3
> billion people are on the net but re
On 24/10/2015 00:00, Diane Bruce wrote:
I have fond memories of our Unix sys admin refusing to install a bloated
editor.
vi on a PDP-11/45 (v7 Unix)
Ah yes, I remember similar issues. If you try to run vi (and some other
things) under 7th Edition set up for a machine like the 11/23, it
resp
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Diane
> Bruce
> Sent: 24 October 2015 00:01
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: Re: The Internet & our hobby
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 10:22:42PM +, ANDY HOLT wrote:
>
> Don't get me wrong... Emacs isn't a bad OS... Too bad there isn't a decent
> text editor for it.
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> Ah, but nowadays who cares about
> "Eight Megabytes and Continua
Don't get me wrong... Emacs isn't a bad OS... Too bad there isn't a decent text
editor for it.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
Ah, but nowadays who cares about
"Eight Megabytes and Continual Swapping"
(well, the first part anyhow) when your phone has 16GB
Andy
> Early internet systems--I'm not sure where to draw the line between
> Usenet, ARPANet and Internet [...]
I would say that the Internet was the collection of hosts/networks
supporting (and assuming) more-or-less[%] real-time host-to-host
connectivity.
[%] RFC 1149, anyone? :-)
Thus, a host on d
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:
started early. 'course in our day, we were much more
polite in how we flamed
Emacs? You _MUST_ be kidding.
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, geneb wrote:
WordStar. Non-document mode.
Did you really think that that was better than Electric Pencil?
I'm going to s
-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
Subject: Re: The Internet & our hobby
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Bill Sudbrink wrote:
> Fred Cisin wrote:
>>
>> While I won't try to claim that the FIRST or SECOND
>> emails were flames, I'm inclined to think that they
>> started
started early. 'course in our day, we were much more
polite in how we flamed
Emacs? You _MUST_ be kidding.
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, geneb wrote:
WordStar. Non-document mode.
Did you really think that that was better than Electric Pencil?
My very first inspiration for writing XenoCopy was ads
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Bill Sudbrink wrote:
> Fred Cisin wrote:
>>
>> While I won't try to claim that the FIRST or SECOND
>> emails were flames, I'm inclined to think that they
>> started early. 'course in our day, we were much more
>> polite in how we flamed
>
>
> Emacs? You _MUST_ be kidding.
I'
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Bill Sudbrink wrote:
Fred Cisin wrote:
While I won't try to claim that the FIRST or SECOND
emails were flames, I'm inclined to think that they
started early. 'course in our day, we were much more
polite in how we flamed
Emacs? You _MUST_ be kidding.
WordStar. Non-doc
Fred Cisin wrote:
> While I won't try to claim that the FIRST or SECOND
> emails were flames, I'm inclined to think that they
> started early. 'course in our day, we were much more
> polite in how we flamed
Emacs? You _MUST_ be kidding.
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Yeah, I had quite a number of problems with the original post also.
We each see a different part of the elephant. Sometimes I think that
Murray is/was at the other end than I am/was.
I really like Murray, and what he says, but his views of what was
sig
On 10/23/2015 10:43 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
I snorted and started coughing when I read that! :-) Usenet had massive flame
wars long before the Web existed!
Yes, there were flame wars--but nothing that sank to the level of
depravity of flame wars on the web.
...and it could be just that I hu
reports, e.g.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/112719/article.html
Dave
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of rod
> Sent: 23 October 2015 18:44
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: Re: The Internet &
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> > From: Chuck Guzis
>
> > I do miss the web-less Internet in some respects. People were more
> > polite back then--at least in their written communication.
>
> I snorted and started coughing when I read that! :-) Usenet had massive
but! now that we have heard of it
SMECC museum wants one!
Ed#
In a message dated 10/23/2015 10:43:50 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim,
rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com writes:
Nope never heard of it either
Rod
On 23/10/15 18:29, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
> never heard of it - Ed
Nope never heard of it either
Rod
On 23/10/15 18:29, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
never heard of it -Ed#
In a message dated 10/23/2015 10:08:44 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim,
paulkon...@comcast.net writes:
How many people consider the Micral to be of that level of significance?
> From: Fred Cisin
> It was inevitable that eventually there would be movementS towards
> standardization of protocols on the arpanet.
Actually, TCP/IP grew out of the desire to interconnect two very different
kinds of network - the ARPANET, and something called the Packet Radio Netw
never heard of it -Ed#
In a message dated 10/23/2015 10:08:44 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim,
paulkon...@comcast.net writes:
How many people consider the Micral to be of that level of significance?
On 10/23/2015 09:37 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
TCP/IP would be 33, not 43 years ago. The internet was certainly not
"made possible" by TCP/IP. It was inevitable that eventually there
would be movementS towards standardization of protocols on the
arpanet. They could have done much worse than TCP/IP!
> On Oct 23, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
>
> ...
>> Today 3 billion people are on the net
>
> Is that all? I've always thought of writing an SF story involving extensive
> extra-terrestial presence on the net.
Neat idea. Go for it!
>> but really made it possible for this extravaga
> From: Johnny Billquist
> not going to try and contradict what you wrote.
Right, I wasn't meaning to imply what you said was incorrect, just giving a
little more detail on what was a murky and complicated process.
> I suspect it's because people now assume that "Internet" was always
On Thu, 22 Oct 2015, Murray McCullough wrote:
43 years ago around this time the Internet we use to communicate with
was probably made possible because of TCP/IP, or Transmission Control
Protocol/Internet Protocol created at Stanford University.
TCP/IP would be 33, not 43 years ago.
The internet
On 2015-10-23 13:20, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Johnny Billquist
> the switch to TCP/IP only happened in 1982-1983. So while the
> "internet" (well, ARPANET actually) existed before then, it was not
> TCP/IP based.
The conversion of the _ARPANET_ from NCP to TCP/IP happened
> From: Johnny Billquist
> the switch to TCP/IP only happened in 1982-1983. So while the
> "internet" (well, ARPANET actually) existed before then, it was not
> TCP/IP based.
The conversion of the _ARPANET_ from NCP to TCP/IP happened on 1 January,
1983. However, 'the Internet' (i
On 2015-10-23 02:54, Murray McCullough wrote:
43 years ago around this time the Internet we use to communicate with
was probably made possible because of TCP/IP, or Transmission Control
Protocol/Internet Protocol created at Stanford University. Today 3
billion people are on the net but really mad
Well that is sort of right.
I was working for digital at the time and therefore
I have a slightly different perspective.
Internet has its roots in three places the US universities, Research
Establishments and the US military.
ARPAnet came sometime before Internet. It was a packet switching net
43 years ago around this time the Internet we use to communicate with
was probably made possible because of TCP/IP, or Transmission Control
Protocol/Internet Protocol created at Stanford University. Today 3
billion people are on the net but really made it possible for this
extravagant number was th
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