ipermail/cctalk/2017-July/036578.html - I
decided to start here a thread but this time fully dedicated to the
restoration of this rare computer, I named the SPERRY UNIVAC UTS 40
and its Subsystem 8406 (2 X 8 "DSDD).
http://www.zeltrax.com/classiccmp_forum/1.jpg
http://www.zeltrax.com/classiccm
Hi everybody,
After talking about this subject but in a thread following a sale -
http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2017-July/036578.html - I
decided to start here a thread but this time fully dedicated to the
restoration of this rare computer, I named the SPERRY UNIVAC UTS 40 and
photos associated with the auction were pulled. Is the
lucky winner on this list? Given the location, I was curious if this came from
UNIVAC #24 (the last operating UNIVAC I). -C
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Univac-vintage-large-computer-Parts-only-AS-IS-/162428766985
> On Apr 5, 2017, at 02:00, Dave Babcock via cctech
> wrote:
>
> The simulator work could greatly benefit from the IBM 1620 & 1622 manuals and
> system diagrams that you have.
>
Connections to the console aside, the best materials for this would likely be
the CE/FE instructional manuals. T
Hello Todd,
I am a volunteer at the Computer History Museum. I led the museum's
full restoration of an IBM 1620 several years ago
(http://s3data.computerhistory.org/core/core-2001-03.pdf).
I am currently leading a new effort, the /IBM 1620 Jr./, to create an
operational, hands-on exhibit us
Hi Todd,
I have a Model 33, what do you want for those manuals?
Thanks,
Randy
From: cctech on behalf of Todd Pisek via cctech
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 2:00 PM
To: cct...@classiccmp.org
Subject: Old manuals (Univac, IBM, Burroughs, Teletype)
Spring
Spring cleaning has unearthed manuals I no longer need (not clear if I ever
needed them ... ).
Here's the list:
Univac an/uyk-7 theory & diagrams
Univac federal systems Technical Bulletins (1973)
IBM 1620&1622 CE manuals & complete system diagrams (vol 1,2, & 3)
IBM 3031 t
e.
Dwight
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Subject: Re: Univac I memory tank
On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, dwight wrote:
> The Olivetti used a piece of wire for the delay line. I fo
On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, dwight wrote:
The Olivetti used a piece of wire for the delay line. I forget what the
Dielh Combitron used but I know it used a two delay lines. One was for
registers and the other was for lookup tables that loaded at turn on
time from a metal tape ( as I recall ).
I can
__
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> via cctalk
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 1:11:10 AM
> To: Noel Chiappa; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: Univac I memory tank
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 05:41:57PM -0400, Noel Chiappa vi
calculator, and it was
generally cost and size prohibitive to store the bits required in
discrete transistor flip flop storage registers (though a few very early
electronic calculators did use this method).
Given that delay line technology had been used with success on computers
(though the Univac
t: Re: Univac I memory tank
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 05:41:57PM -0400, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> > From: Dwight Kelvey
>
> > I need on of those.
>
> I think it belongs in a museum, actually. Provided they can make it work, of
> course! :-) I wonder how many working
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 05:41:57PM -0400, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> > From: Dwight Kelvey
>
> > I need on of those.
>
> I think it belongs in a museum, actually. Provided they can make it work, of
> course! :-) I wonder how many working delay line main memories are left in
> the wo
d they can make it work,
> > of
> > course! :-) I wonder how many working delay line main memories are left
> in
> > the world?
> >
>
> If that's from a Univac I, I'd love to see it in a museum as well!
> According to Wikipedia there were only 18 Univac I
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I think it belongs in a museum, actually. Provided they can make it work,
> of
> course! :-) I wonder how many working delay line main memories are left in
> the world?
>
If that&#
> On Mar 14, 2017, at 5:45 PM, dwight via cctalk wrote:
>
> It is not likely to be made to work, easily. From what I was
> told, the mercury ones needed to be rebuilt after some time.
> Most likely because the mercury dissolved one of the metals
> used in side.
>
> I can't imagine what that mig
On 2017-Mar-14, at 2:41 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
>> From: Dwight Kelvey
>> I need on of those.
>
> I think it belongs in a museum, actually. Provided they can make it work, of
> course! :-) I wonder how many working delay line main memories are left in
> the world?
Depends on how partic
what I hear someplace.
Dwight
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To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Univac I memory tank
> From: Dwight Kelvey
> I need
> From: Dwight Kelvey
> I need on of those.
I think it belongs in a museum, actually. Provided they can make it work, of
course! :-) I wonder how many working delay line main memories are left in
the world?
Noel
PS: Sorry about the previous mostly-duplicate message; I hit the 'i
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> its been pulled
>
> It's still there when I click on the link, five days to go. Boy howdy,
this would be a headache to get shipped! Even if the mercury is gone,
there are almost certain to be residuals.
t; > Cool. I need on of those.
> >
> > Dwight
> >
> >
> >
> > From: cctalk on behalf of Al Kossow via
> cctalk
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:20:00 AM
> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Po
alk
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:20:00 AM
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Univac I memory tank
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/162428766985
>
> Asked if the mercury was still in it. They ignored me.
>
Cool. I need on of those.
Dwight
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To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Univac I memory tank
http://www.ebay.com/itm/162428766985
Asked if the
http://www.ebay.com/itm/162428766985
Asked if the mercury was still in it. They ignored me.
On 11/21/2016 04:17 PM, Charles Anthony wrote:
I was looking here:
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/360/
fe/2020/Z33-1021-0_2020_Processing_Unit_FETOM_May68.pdf
(pdf) pages 45, 46 describe the ALU
I note that the cover page says: "(Machines with serial no. 50,000 and
abov
On 11/21/2016 12:28 PM, Charles Dickman wrote:
I was looking here:
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/360/fe/2020/Z33-1021-0_2020_Processing_Unit_FETOM_May68.pdf
(pdf) pages 45, 46 describe the ALU And here:
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/360/fe/2020/SY33
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/360/
fe/2020/Z33-1021-0_2020_Processing_Unit_FETOM_May68.pdf
(pdf) pages 45, 46 describe the ALU
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016, Charles Anthony wrote:
I note that the cover page says: "(Machines with serial no. 50,000 and
above)."
Perhaps the ALU is on
On 11/21/2016 2:17 PM, Charles Anthony wrote:
Perhaps the ALU is only present on late model machines?
-- Charles
If it were a GE645 strapped for running Multics, very possibly, and
undocumented. The builtin special purpose abacus was used on some early
models.
> I was looking here:
>
> http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/360/
> fe/2020/Z33-1021-0_2020_Processing_Unit_FETOM_May68.pdf
>
> (pdf) pages 45, 46 describe the ALU
>
>
I note that the cover page says: "(Machines with serial no. 50,000 and
above)."
Perhaps the ALU is only present
On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> On 11/20/2016 05:30 PM, Charles Dickman wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
>>
>>> OH, yeah! Besides the limited instruction set, short registers only half
>>> populated, etc., did you know that the 360/20 did not hav
On 11/20/2016 05:30 PM, Charles Dickman wrote:
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
OH, yeah! Besides the limited instruction set, short registers only half
populated, etc., did you know that the 360/20 did not have an adder?
This made me curious about how primitive it was, but
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> OH, yeah! Besides the limited instruction set, short registers only half
> populated, etc., did you know that the 360/20 did not have an adder?
This made me curious about how primitive it was, but the FE docs on
bitsavers show a 16bit ALU that
> > Old Computerworlds from the time had a lot of ads for timesharing
> > services.
>
> That was before everyone decided it was far cheaper and saner to own
> and administer their own systems.
> (ahem.)
I will say on the personal side, as someone who has run their
own do-everything server continu
On 11/20/2016 12:02 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 07:52:20AM -0500, william degnan wrote:
>> Old Computerworlds from the time had a lot of ads for timesharing
>> services.
>
> That was before everyone decided it was far cheaper and saner to own
> and administer their own syst
On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 07:52:20AM -0500, william degnan wrote:
> Old Computerworlds from the time had a lot of ads for timesharing
> services.
That was before everyone decided it was far cheaper and saner to own
and administer their own systems.
(ahem.)
Mark "everything old is new again" Linimo
> From: Jon Elson
> if they were doing mostly RPG work, then a /20 could do that.
This is a _long_ time ago, and I was a junior operator, not a programmer, but
I know most (maybe all) of their work was in RPG.
Noel
418-III is a computer with the equivalent performance of a 360/44 or
/50 at /40 prices. Not cheap but you'd save thousands of $$'s. They offer
a , 9400 (and related hardware) system as an option local machine that can
be geared with/paired to time shared 418-III. The teaches us toda
On 11/19/2016 09:56 AM, william degnan wrote:
> True, but for all that I have read about the actual use of the /20
> that was not what it was for. IBM used the /20's as a smart terminal
> and that kind of thing.The thing in between the mainframe and
> something else operating in a remote locat
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 03:50:45PM -0500, Paul Koning wrote:
> A pretty impressive combination of command and data chaining.
s/impressive/terrifying/
mcl
> On Nov 19, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
>
>> ...
> The /20 was very limited, and not a general purpose 360. There was also the
> 360/22 and 360/25 that were variants of the /30 model. One was cheaper, one
> was a little faster. But, if they were doing mostly RPG work, then a /20
>
On 11/19/2016 01:00 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: William Degnan
> for all that I have read about the actual use of the /20 that was not
> what it was for. IBM used the /20's as a smart terminal and that kind
> of thing. The thing in between the mainframe and something else
> From: William Degnan
> for all that I have read about the actual use of the /20 that was not
> what it was for. IBM used the /20's as a smart terminal and that kind
> of thing. The thing in between the mainframe and something else
> operating in a remote location, and so on.
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> On 11/18/2016 10:17 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
>> On 11/18/2016 07:59 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I think it had to, as it had no adder. Had to be
>>> incomprehensibly slow. I guess it would load the memory to an
>>> internal register a pie
On 11/18/2016 10:17 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 11/18/2016 07:59 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
Yes, I think it had to, as it had no adder. Had to be
incomprehensibly slow. I guess it would load the memory to an
internal register a piece at a time.
The last time I dug around a bit for model 20 software,
> From: Chuck Guzis
> On 11/18/2016 10:00 AM, william degnan wrote:
>> Hot business women posing with classic UNIVAC hardware
> Models?
Yup. Definitely too hot to be business-women!
(Hope Chuck doesn't mind being quoted out of context, but it was just
On 11/18/2016 07:59 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> Yes, I think it had to, as it had no adder. Had to be
> incomprehensibly slow. I guess it would load the memory to an
> internal register a piece at a time.
The last time I dug around a bit for model 20 software, I was surprised
to find that there was
On 11/18/2016 06:04 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 11/18/2016 03:15 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
OH, yeah! Besides the limited instruction set, short registers only
half populated, etc., did you know that the 360/20 did not have an
adder? It could only increment/decrement. The data paths were only
4 bits
On 11/18/2016 03:15 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> OH, yeah! Besides the limited instruction set, short registers only
> half populated, etc., did you know that the 360/20 did not have an
> adder? It could only increment/decrement. The data paths were only
> 4 bits wide, so to add a 3 in register A t
On 11/18/2016 02:04 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Models? Wasn't the 9300 basically an
instruction-compatible model of the S/360 Model 20? I
think the 9400 was the bottom end 360/30 model compatible.
Calling the Model 20 a "member of the System 360 line" has
always been a bit of a stretch in my book.
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:09 PM, william degnan
wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
>> On 11/18/2016 10:00 AM, william degnan wrote:
>> > http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=658
>> >
>> > Hot business wo
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 11/18/2016 10:00 AM, william degnan wrote:
> > http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=658
> >
> > Hot business women posing with classic UNIVAC hardware and a link to
> > a very rare 1968 business p
On 11/18/2016 10:00 AM, william degnan wrote:
> http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=658
>
> Hot business women posing with classic UNIVAC hardware and a link to
> a very rare 1968 business proposal by UNIVAC to Philip Morris, an
> attempt to sell either a 418-III o
http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=658
Hot business women posing with classic UNIVAC hardware and a link to a very
rare 1968 business proposal by UNIVAC to Philip Morris, an attempt to sell
either a 418-III or 9400, pricing, comparison with IBM 360 models.
Included with the proposal
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