RE: Unidentified chip -- Spoiler for HP 1260-0339

2015-08-07 Thread tony duell
It doesn't even shunt across; it's just 16 pins in a DIL package floating? Strange. If it were a manufacturing test, one wouldn't expect it would show up in production machines? Yes. It is just 16 pins unconnected to each other. As I mentioned some messages ago it is used as a connector.

Re: Unidentified chip -- Spoiler for HP 1260-0339

2015-08-06 Thread Fred Cisin
Pin-out? Data sheet?

RE: Unidentified chip -- Spoiler for HP 1260-0339

2015-08-06 Thread tony duell
And come to think of it, I bet those dummy chips were used for training people to hand stuff boards as well. The Amstrad PCW8256 (word processor) came with 256K of RAM but could be expanded to 512K essentially by adding another 8 41256 DRAM chips. Some companies in the UK sold the 9-chip

Re: Unidentified chip -- Spoiler for HP 1260-0339

2015-08-06 Thread Jon Elson
On 08/06/2015 02:25 PM, William Donzelli wrote: It could also be a chip used to test an auto-insertion machine or wave solder machine. If memory serves, they'll use correctly pinned but fake parts to test those processes before moving to the more expensive real thing. Yes, there were a few

RE: Unidentified chip -- Spoiler for HP 1260-0339

2015-08-06 Thread tony duell
Amazingly there is nothing inside that 16pin DIL package. No silicon chip, no thick-film resistor network, nothing. It is just a package with the pins. Are you sure? They might have gotten a really good deal on Well, I've not x-rayed one, but I could detect no conductivity or diode

Re: Unidentified chip -- Spoiler for HP 1260-0339

2015-08-06 Thread William Donzelli
It could also be a chip used to test an auto-insertion machine or wave solder machine. If memory serves, they'll use correctly pinned but fake parts to test those processes before moving to the more expensive real thing. Yes, there were a few companies that made dummy chips for exactly that

Re: Unidentified chip -- Spoiler for HP 1260-0339

2015-08-06 Thread geneb
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Eric Smith wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:22 AM, tony duell a...@p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: Amazingly there is nothing inside that 16pin DIL package. No silicon chip, no thick-film resistor network, nothing. It is just a package with the pins. Are you sure? They might

RE: Unidentified chip -- Spoiler for HP 1260-0339

2015-08-06 Thread tony duell
As a total aside, on some HP boards there is a 16 pin DIL package with the part number 1260-0339. Any ideas what that chip is? What chip? Amazingly there is nothing inside that 16pin DIL package. No silicon chip, no thick-film resistor network, nothing. It is just a package with the pins.

RE: Unidentified chip

2015-08-05 Thread tony duell
This all assumes it is a TTL and not an ECL or even and analog chip, such as an opamp. Or a resistor network, diode network, transistor array, programmed PROM, microcontroller, etc, etc, etc. As a total aside, on some HP boards there is a 16 pin DIL package with the part number 1260-0339.

RE: Unidentified chip

2015-08-05 Thread Jay West
Tony wrote... - As a total aside, on some HP boards there is a 16 pin DIL package with the part number 1260-0339. Any ideas what that chip is? - Is it on any boards related to the HP1000 or 21MX computers? If so... what board? J

Re: Unidentified chip

2015-08-04 Thread John Robertson
On 08/04/2015 1:48 PM, dwight wrote: This all assumes it is a TTL and not an ECL or even and analog chip, such as an opamp. Dwight It might be possible to identify it a bit. Using the Diode Test of your basic multi-meter you can probably figure out if

RE: Unidentified chip

2015-08-04 Thread dwight
From: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu snip It's a 16-pin DIP, with the following on it (in three separate lines): 1028126, D39315-A, and CS9336P. The first number looks like the numbers I've seen on a couple of other un-identified chips, made by TRW. (I hope they aren't something classified

Unidentified chip

2015-08-04 Thread Noel Chiappa
So, I took Tony's advice (about parts) to heart, and have been stocking up on all sorts of things. (Ironically, I now have a _far_ better supply of parts that I had access to, back in the day, at LCS at MIT! But that's a rant for another day.) As part of that, I've bought up a number of IC

Re: Unidentified chip

2015-08-04 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/04/2015 11:40 AM, John Robertson wrote: You could always get one of those inexpensive TTL device identifiers to see if the house number crosses over: http://www.ebay.com/itm/281682288251 My Xeltek programmer has that function--and it works for some common TTL ICs, but gets a lot less

RE: Unidentified chip

2015-08-04 Thread dwight
This all assumes it is a TTL and not an ECL or even and analog chip, such as an opamp. Dwight