> On Jul 16, 2021, at 6:30 AM, Toby Thain via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-07-16 9:03 a.m., Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 16, 2021, at 3:52 AM, Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>> https://wiki.livingcomputers.org/
>>
>> That produces a page load error.
On 2021-07-16 9:03 a.m., Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>
>
>> On Jul 16, 2021, at 3:52 AM, Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
>> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>> https://wiki.livingcomputers.org/
>
> That produces a page load error.
>
> paul
>
Loaded correctly for me.
--Toby
> On Jul 16, 2021, at 3:52 AM, Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
> https://wiki.livingcomputers.org/
That produces a page load error.
paul
Chris Zach wrote:
> Anyone know if the LCM will be open this summer? I'm going to be in
> Seattle for a day in August, wouldn't mind stopping by and seeing how
> it was doing
Still closed for on site visitors:
https://livingcomputers.org/Closure.aspx
But they haven't shut down all
On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 04:22:52PM -0400, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
> Ah however in the door pocket there is a letter stating that if Paul ever
> got tired of the system or the museum closed that I would come and pick it
> up again.
>
> Done this a number of times. It kind of gets old, but I
That guy is… How shall I put it? An ass! He doesn’t even like people linking
to his site. Years ago, I had a page linking to his RSX BBS website, and he
set it up so anyone following my link would get redirected to some obscene
website. I think that this was 20+ years ago.
The minute I
On 31/05/2021 23:55, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
Sure, Library of Alexadria, lots of examples through history. Oddly
enough people like to find this stuff, centralize it somewhere, then
burn it to the ground.
Go figure. And make sure all of your stuff is backed up all over the
place, it's
Sure, Library of Alexadria, lots of examples through history. Oddly
enough people like to find this stuff, centralize it somewhere, then
burn it to the ground.
Go figure. And make sure all of your stuff is backed up all over the
place, it's amazing how it can all wind up on one guy's FTP
King Tut's junk will be trashed when the next revolution comes (see ISIS).
US in Gulf War I destroying museums in Iraq
sore subject for me..
I really wonder how things related to old tech / engineering are being
done in the world. I think certain things need to be financed by
someone who has a steady income and can afford to have a decades-long
mission to do this or that, usually for the good of humanity.
...
Perhaps collectors on
On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 11:27:40AM +, P Gebhardt via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >Don't trust that museums will abide by your wishes when you donate an item.
> >They almost never will no matter how secure you think your agreement with
> >them is.
> >
> >I believe that enthusiastic and competent
>
>Don't trust that museums will abide by your wishes when you donate an item.
>They almost never will no matter how secure you think your agreement with
>them is.
>
>I believe that enthusiastic and competent individuals will look after
>valuable items much better than most museums can.
While I
>
>Which just makes me sick to the stomach, considering what I sent up there. I
>really hope you’re wrong. What I really >regret is a LARGE box of GCOS-8
>documentation. :-( They have a lot of unobtainable software and
>documentation.
>
>Zane
You didn't scan the documents prior to giving
the stuff is in horrible condition, same as the machines Josh referred
to from Pittsburg
Better than digging it out of a dumpster. Yep, an oil burner basement is
not the best place to put things, but then again we don't get to choose
when we drop dead. (sigh).
I appreciate the work you're
> On May 25, 2021, at 1:09 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 5/25/21 8:58 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
>>> I believe that enthusiastic and competent individuals will look after
>>> valuable items much better than most museums can.
>> As one who does estate cleanups
On 5/25/21 9:57 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
Bob's basement has been like a little time machine for the Perq lovers
the stuff is in horrible condition, same as the machines Josh referred to from
Pittsburg
On 5/25/21 8:58 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
I believe that enthusiastic and competent individuals will look after
valuable items much better than most museums can.
As one who does estate cleanups professionally, I have a wildly
different opinion...
And as someone who has had CHM
Based on the number of items I've rescued from rotting garages, basements,
and warehouses owned (or formerly owned) by enthusiastic and competent
individuals with the best of intentions -- both as part of my former job
and my ongoing hobby over the past 20+ years -- I can say with confidence
that
> I believe that enthusiastic and competent individuals will look after
> valuable items much better than most museums can.
As one who does estate cleanups professionally, I have a wildly
different opinion...
--
Will
On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 6:35 AM Tom Hunter via cctalk
wrote:
> I have learned not to trust any computer museum to properly look after any
> artefacts in the long run. I have seen the following:
>
>- they lose funding and shut down;
>- the building they had for free is sold or demolished
On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:35 PM Tom Hunter via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I have learned not to trust any computer museum to properly look after any
> artefacts in the long run. I have seen the following:
>
>- they lose funding and shut down;
>- the building they had for free is sold or demolished
> On May 25, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
> Don't trust that museums will abide by your wishes when you donate an item.
At least in the USA, that's true for all museums, and for some insane reason
the courts permit them to do this. There are infamous court
I have learned not to trust any computer museum to properly look after any
artefacts in the long run. I have seen the following:
- they lose funding and shut down;
- the building they had for free is sold or demolished and the
collection no longer has a home;
- museum management
> On May 24, 2021, at 7:03 PM, Mark Huffstutter via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> If They eventually have a local garage sale I'm going to head down there
> With my Explorer and a U-Hump trailer to pick up the CDC 6500... ;>)
That would be great! You could get help with that.
paul
Subject: Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago
Penske and others rent tractor-trailers to those with a CDL, so ... 8^O
Maybe the real estate arm of Allen’s empire has a deal on a warehouse that
Amazon hasn’t already turned into office space?
On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 4:03 PM Mark Huffstutter
via cctalk
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 9:53 AM
> To: Jason Howe; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago
>
> Well, if this happens I guess I'll have to schedule a trip out there and
> a long ride back in a U-Hack. Then what do I do with it?
>
> C
>
>
On May 24, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk
wrote:
> However, it looks like they may be trying to re-form it as a charitable
> organization, Vulcan Arts & Entertainment, similar to what happened with
> EMP/MoPOP. They have a fancy new website (https://vulcanae.com) and are
>
1 9:53 AM
To: Jason Howe; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago
Well, if this happens I guess I'll have to schedule a trip out there and
a long ride back in a U-Hack. Then what do I do with it?
C
I’m not a lawyer (thank goodness!), but you have to know what they plan to
do and when. If they don’t “happen to see” your associated paperwork and
intend to scrap it, the only notice may be via some “public” announcement
in an obscure local periodical, as is customary for foreclosure sales. If
On 5/24/21 3:36 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
They have a lot of unobtainable software and documentation.
Even if they do open back up, don't expect to get any intellectual property out
of
them ever again. The people who were proponents of that were all laid off.
On May 24, 2021, at 1:07 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote:
>
> On Mon, 24 May 2021, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
>
>>> Considering there is no staff as they were all laid off and have now
>>> all found other jobs, I'd guess that's a hard no. They'd basically
>>> need to spin up from 0 again --
> On May 24, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> Well if it winds up in the dumpster then that's yet another lesson to not
> trust "Museums". It's actually funny than MC was taken from the storage shed
> and turned up at another "Museum”.
I would expect them to sell it to
On 5/24/21 1:36 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
On May 24, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk
wrote:
Well if it winds up in the dumpster then that's yet another lesson to not trust
"Museums". It's actually funny than MC was taken from the storage shed and turned up at
another
I am sure that Vulcan has gotten enough grief that they want to spin
them off into foundations-like entities like what happened with EMP.
There will lose a lot of good will otherwise, which will translate into
what they care about, lost business.
alan
On 5/24/21 1:31 PM, Chris Zach via
> On May 24, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> Well if it winds up in the dumpster then that's yet another lesson to not
> trust "Museums". It's actually funny than MC was taken from the storage shed
> and turned up at another "Museum".
>
> Oi.
> C
I've worked with a
Well if it winds up in the dumpster then that's yet another lesson to
not trust "Museums". It's actually funny than MC was taken from the
storage shed and turned up at another "Museum".
Oi.
C
On 5/24/2021 4:29 PM, geneb wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2021, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
Ah however in
On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 09:34:03PM -0400, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
> I was looking through some old journal entries and found this:
>
> AI is lonely...
>
> She has been sitting quietly in my house for the past 8 years. She
> runs, but is old now and tired. Most of the time she sits in her
>
On Mon, 24 May 2021, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
Ah however in the door pocket there is a letter stating that if Paul ever got
tired of the system or the museum closed that I would come and pick it up
again.
Done this a number of times. It kind of gets old, but I really thought Paul
Allen
Ah however in the door pocket there is a letter stating that if Paul
ever got tired of the system or the museum closed that I would come and
pick it up again.
Done this a number of times. It kind of gets old, but I really thought
Paul Allen wouldn't run out of money or interest. Go figure.
On Mon, 24 May 2021, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
Considering there is no staff as they were all laid off and have now
all found other jobs, I'd guess that's a hard no. They'd basically
need to spin up from 0 again -- considering Vulcan shut down LCM,
Cinerama and the Flying Heritage Museum as
On 5/24/21 9:24 AM, Jason Howe via cctalk wrote:
On Sun, 2021-05-23 at 21:34 -0400, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
Anyone know if the LCM will be open
Considering there is no staff as they were all laid off and have now
all found other jobs, I'd guess that's a hard no. They'd basically
need
Considering there is no staff as they were all laid off and have now
all found other jobs, I'd guess that's a hard no. They'd basically
need to spin up from 0 again -- considering Vulcan shut down LCM,
Cinerama and the Flying Heritage Museum as soon as they could after
Paul's death -- I put my
On Sun, 2021-05-23 at 21:34 -0400, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
> Anyone know if the LCM will be open
Considering there is no staff as they were all laid off and have now
all found other jobs, I'd guess that's a hard no. They'd basically
need to spin up from 0 again -- considering Vulcan shut
Another Allen non-profit institution, the Museum of Pop Culture (formerly
the Experience Music Project, then EMP, then Experience Music Project and
Science Fiction Museum and Hall of Fame (“EMPSFM” for short-ish), then EMP
Museum) is now open Fridays through Mondays.
That is good news. Ok,
Wasn’t there a question as to whether LCM + L was ever going to open again
because Paul Allen’s estate’s executors are closing down things that don’t
interest them (permanently?), and COVID-19 provided an excuse to completely
lay off staff? The website still says “closed ... for now”.
Another
On May 23, 2021, at 6:34 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk
wrote:
>
> The funny part is someone replied "Donate it to a museum" and I wrote:
>
> "*nod* Unfortunately, after the Boston Computer Museum debacle, I'm a bit
> wary of museums. Other problem is it would just get stuck in a back room and
>
Chris Zach wrote:
> She's lonely. And although I have been looking after her for a long
> time, she needs help.
I think you did well. AI got a few more logins, and let's hope there
will be more in the future.
I was looking through some old journal entries and found this:
AI is lonely...
She has been sitting quietly in my house for the past 8 years. She runs,
but is old now and tired. Most of the time she sits in her room and
waits patiently. Waits for the users who ran jobs in the middle of the
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