Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-25 Thread Guy Sotomayor via cctalk
On Mon, 2020-05-25 at 14:13 -0700, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > I hadn't thought about IBMCACHE.SYS in *years*. I wrote it in > > its entirety (there's even a patent that covers some of its > operation). > > I was in an AdTech (Advanced Technology) group at the time and > > was looking at

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-25 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I hadn't thought about IBMCACHE.SYS in *years*.?? I wrote it in its entirety (there's even a patent that covers some of its operation). I was in an AdTech (Advanced Technology) group at the time and was looking at how to make disk operations faster in DOS at the time when I came up with the

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-25 Thread Guy Sotomayor via cctalk
On Mon, 2020-05-25 at 13:21 -0700, Ali wrote: > > >I hadn't thought about IBMCACHE.SYS in *years*. I wrote it in its > >entirety (there's even a patent that covers some of its operation). > I > >was in an AdTech (Advanced Technology) group at the time and was > >looking at how to make disk

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-25 Thread Ali via cctalk
>I hadn't thought about IBMCACHE.SYS in *years*.  I wrote it in its>entirety >(there's even a patent that covers some of its operation). I>was in an AdTech >(Advanced Technology) group at the time and was>looking at how to make disk >operations faster in >DOS at the time when I>came up with

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-25 Thread Guy Sotomayor via cctalk
On Mon, 2020-05-25 at 20:28 +0200, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 20:22, Guy Sotomayor > wrote: > > > > I hadn't thought about IBMCACHE.SYS in *years*. I wrote it in its > > entirety (there's even a patent that covers some of its operation). > > I > > was in an AdTech

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-25 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 20:22, Guy Sotomayor wrote: > > I hadn't thought about IBMCACHE.SYS in *years*. I wrote it in its > entirety (there's even a patent that covers some of its operation). I > was in an AdTech (Advanced Technology) group at the time and was > looking at how to make disk

Standard Cocktail Napkin Size [WAS: RE: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)}

2020-05-25 Thread Tom Gardner via cctalk
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:23 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote in part: >> On Sun, 24 May 2020, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote: >>The final media size was determined by Shugart Engineering led by Al >> Chou from the size of the 8-track tape drive that the 5¼-inch FDD was >> to replace in Wang and

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-25 Thread Guy Sotomayor via cctalk
On Mon, 2020-05-25 at 20:00 +0200, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 05:30, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > > > > IBMs came with an installable driver called, I think, IBMCACHE.SYS. > This used extended RAM (above 1MB) as a hard disk cache, without XMS > or HIMEM.SYS or

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-25 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 05:30, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > I played briefly with Xenix on an XT (or MAYBE an AT) on a 15MB? drive > partition. MS-DOS was a better match for that hardware. Never tried Xenix on an XT, but it was the 2nd OS on my PC-AT in my first ever job. That machine was

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 24 May 2020, Jecel Assumpcao Jr via cctalk wrote: I had heard that Microsoft had licensed Xenix before the IBM thing. I hadn't known that. Bill thought he had a gentleman's agreement with Gary to not intrude in each other's turf and then DR came out with CBASIC. Furious, Bill got

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-24 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr via cctalk
Fred, > Quite true that Gary did not have the ruthless personality to compete. > If the roles had been reversed, Gary would NOT have become a bill Gates. > Yes, the final outcome was inevitable, although the one incident set the > path. It is fairly commonly believed that MS-DOS would not

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Quite true that Gary did not have the ruthless personality to compete. If the roles had been reversed, Gary would NOT have become a bill Gates. Yes, the final outcome was inevitable, although the one incident set the path. It is fairly commonly believed that MS-DOS would not have EXISTED

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-24 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr via cctalk
Fred, > To me, the culture clash aspect makes it one of the greatest stories of > the time. > Was Gary not taking the meeting seriously enough to be there on time, and > as a consequence, ending up being $80B behind Bill Gates, the stupidest > mistake anybody has ever made? > Or the bravest

RE: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Some don't matter; some can be enough to ruin a good anecdote; some create a different story. I'm saddened that Jim Adkisson and Don Massaro of Shugart have changed their story and now deny that the size of the 5.25" disk was based on Dr. Wang pointing to a bar napkin. The "Bar Napkin Disk" was

RE: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-24 Thread Tom Gardner via cctalk
Fred Cisin [mailto:ci...@xenosoft.com] wrote on Saturday, May 23, 2020 11:28 PM Some don't matter; some can be enough to ruin a good anecdote; some create a different story. I'm saddened that Jim Adkisson and Don Massaro of Shugart have changed their story and now deny that the size

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Yes, there will always be discrepancies. I have to admit that many/most?/all? of my memories may be inaccurate or wrong. Some don't matter; some can be enough to ruin a good anecdote; some create a different story. I'm saddened that Jim Adkisson and Don Massaro of Shugart have changed

history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-23 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr via cctalk
Fred Cisin advised on: Sat, 23 May 2020 20:29:28 -0700 (PDT) > But, read carefully the corrections that others made! Some things are easy to check, like the fact that the Z80 came out in 1976 when Woz was already finishing the Apple II so he couldn't have considered using it for the Apple I. Note