On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> I service PC's for 14 years (professionally), and never had anything
> zapped. And I do not use anti-static wrists. So it is strange to hear
> that you had part zapped on first opening. That is all.
Given my track record, you can see why I'd like t
On Jul 8, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Always Learning wrote:
>
> That is a fundamental worry. Everything, except the kernel, dependent on
> Poettering's (employed by Red Hat) windows-style gigantic systemd.
> Nothing can run without systemd's prior consent. One tiny bug in systemd
> and everything crashes
And IBM assembler
(Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any spelling or
grammatical errors.)
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Always Learning wrote:
>
>
>> On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 17:10 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>> The read up on Grace Hopper and how she 'discove
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 05:32:31PM -0700, Russell Miller wrote:
>
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Scott Robbins wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 12:21:43PM -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Wow. This was my bad in assuming everyone knows who Adam is--a very good
> >> natured and help
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 17:44 -0700, Russell Miller wrote:
> I really wish I was joking or being facetious. I'm not. This is pretty much
> the logical
> end result of the abomination that's systemd, and the appallingly stupid idea
> of putting
> dbus into the kernel. There's a reason for privi
On Jul 8, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> ]
> Ah, we will be at Centos 11 by then :)
>
> Systemd will be a thing of the past and we will be dealing with systemq.
It'll be named "kitchensink", there will be only one process in the process
table, and
every bit of computation will be
On Jul 8, 2014, at 1:03 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 08:05:07AM -0700, Russell Miller wrote:
>>
>> And that's all I'm saying in response to you. Keep this up
>> and my killfile will have one more entry.
>
> Please stop replying to non-list subscribers in Cc: fields.
On Jul 8, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 12:21:43PM -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
>
>
>> Wow. This was my bad in assuming everyone knows who Adam is--a very good
>> natured and helpful person.
>
> I should also add that Adam's comment was very tongue-in-chee
I'm running Centos 6.5 on a software RAID-1 pair. I originally installed
it following one of the howtos from the Centos WIKI for Centos 5. My
first installation was on 5.x, then when I moved to 6.x I found that
Anaconda worked enough like the one in 5.x that I could easily adapt
the procedure.
how
On 07/08/2014 05:03 PM, Tim Evans wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 05:39 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
>> On 7/8/2014 2:03 PM, Wes James wrote:
>>> I installed centos 6.5 from a dvd. Now that 7 is out, I'l like to try it.
>>> I tried:
>>>
>>> sudo yum clean all && sudo yum update
>>>
>>> but it said there w
On 07/08/2014 07:11 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 7/8/2014 2:07 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> The invention of the 8" diskette as the boot media for the 360
> 370, not 360. the 360's had microcode in "ROM", one of the innovations
> of the System/370 was soft loaded microcode.
Yeah. I thought
On 07/08/14 15:26, Wes James wrote:
> I would suggest if possible just download centos 7 iso.
> if you ever need to reinstall, you will have the iso/DVD at hand
> and only apply the updates.
> Or like myself, and probably others, continue using centos 6.x til
> 2020? Good luck.:-)
>
>
> I did
On 7/8/2014 2:07 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> The invention of the 8" diskette as the boot media for the 360
370, not 360. the 360's had microcode in "ROM", one of the innovations
of the System/370 was soft loaded microcode.
--
john r pierce 37N 122W
so
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 14:34:49 -0500
Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Billings
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 01:22:54PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> >> And more to the point, /usr isn't supposed t be needed until you
> >> are past the point of mounting all files
On Jul 08, 2014, at 03:21 PM, Edward M wrote:
On 07/08/14 14:03, Wes James wrote:
> I installed centos 6.5 from a dvd. Now that 7 is out, I'l like to try
it. I tried:
I would suggest if possible just download centos 7 iso.
if you ever need to reinstall, you will have the iso/DVD at
On 07/08/2014 05:39 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 7/8/2014 2:03 PM, Wes James wrote:
>> I installed centos 6.5 from a dvd. Now that 7 is out, I'l like to try it.
>> I tried:
>>
>> sudo yum clean all && sudo yum update
>>
>> but it said there were no updates. Is there a command-line way to upgr
On 7/8/2014 2:03 PM, Wes James wrote:
> I installed centos 6.5 from a dvd. Now that 7 is out, I'l like to try it. I
> tried:
>
> sudo yum clean all && sudo yum update
>
> but it said there were no updates. Is there a command-line way to upgrade
> from 6.5 to 7?
yum update will only update pa
On 07/08/2014 11:03 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>
>> On 07/08/2014 07:37 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
>>>
>>> Said predecessor was my first computer.
>>> The first time I cracked its case,
>>> I zapped a vid
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 17:10 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> The read up on Grace Hopper and how she 'discovered' an unknown opcode
> when a mispunch she glued in with nail polish. They used hand punchers
> a lot on her programming team.
Not entirely unknown because the opcode must have been
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 02:08:36PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Michael Hennebry wrote:
> > On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> >> Michael Hennebry wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
> >>>
> Asus and the like don't make BIOS, they get it from AMI or Phoenix or
>
On 07/08/14 14:03, Wes James wrote:
> I installed centos 6.5 from a dvd. Now that 7 is out, I'l like to try it. I
> tried:
I would suggest if possible just download centos 7 iso.
if you ever need to reinstall, you will have the iso/DVD at hand
and only apply the updates.
Or lik
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 16:51 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Always Learning wrote:
> >
> > Was an excellent hand puncher. Could easily read cards by holding them
> > up to the light and could fill-in the wrongly punched hole to avoid
> > having to re-punch the entire card.
> Never heard of a ha
systemv? Too soon?
On July 8, 2014 4:07:43 PM CDT, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>> On 07/08/2014 04:19 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Reindl Harald
>
>>> wrote:
> Unless you are offering to do that for me, for free, on all my
> systems,
On 07/08/2014 04:51 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Always Learning wrote:
>> On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 16:32 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>
>>> 'Ey! What'cho got 'gainst punch cards?
>> Never used the Power Samas 36? column cards, just the plain boring 80's.
> Nope, just the normal 80 column punchs.
I am sure now do not understand the bug end line.
From Fedora 17 they modprobe.d moved from /etc to /var/lib ? if so why
not just use a symlink from /etc to /var/lib if someone needs it there
for any reason what so ever??
Eliezer
On 07/08/2014 09:12 PM, Ned Slider wrote:
> Well, I stand correc
On 07/08/2014 04:28 PM, Always Learning wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 11:10 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
>> On 7/8/2014 10:36 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>>> 75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as the printer head
>>> returned to the beginning of the line) and an amazingly fast speed
Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
> On 07/08/2014 04:19 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Reindl Harald
>> wrote:
Unless you are offering to do that for me, for free, on all my
systems, having to do it certainly does take something away.
>>> then just don't upgrade to R
I installed centos 6.5 from a dvd. Now that 7 is out, I'l like to try it. I
tried:
sudo yum clean all && sudo yum update
but it said there were no updates. Is there a command-line way to upgrade from
6.5 to 7?
Thanks,
-wes
___
CentOS mailing lis
On 07/08/2014 04:19 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> Unless you are offering to do that for me, for free, on all my
>>> systems, having to do it certainly does take something away.
>> then just don't upgrade to RHEL7
>> so what
> I expect our sys
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 07:37 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
>>
>> Said predecessor was my first computer.
>> The first time I cracked its case,
>> I zapped a video card installing a new hard disk.
>
> Never install anyt
On 07/08/2014 03:21 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 08.07.2014 18:17, schrieb Robert Moskowitz:
>> On 07/08/2014 11:05 AM, Russell Miller wrote:
>>> Even its sysv compatibility is incomplete. It runs sysv scripts, but in
>>> such a
>>> way as to break any but the simplest. I've run into situati
Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 16:32 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>
>> 'Ey! What'cho got 'gainst punch cards?
>
> Never used the Power Samas 36? column cards, just the plain boring 80's.
Nope, just the normal 80 column punchs. All IBM, y'know.
>
> Was an excellent hand puncher.
On 07/08/2014 04:07 PM, Rufe Glick wrote:
> Hello there. I've just downloaded the CentOS v7.0 via torrent and am
> trying to verify the gpg signature for the file with hashes. When I do
> "gpg --verify sha256sum.txt.asc" I get the key ID of F4A80EB5. Then I'm
> trying to get the public key wi
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 16:32 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> 'Ey! What'cho got 'gainst punch cards?
Never used the Power Samas 36? column cards, just the plain boring 80's.
Was an excellent hand puncher. Could easily read cards by holding them
up to the light and could fill-in the wrongly punch
Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 11:10 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
>> On 7/8/2014 10:36 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>> > 75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as the printer head
>> > returned to the beginning of the line) and an amazingly fast speed of
>> > 300 baud on t
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 11:10 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 7/8/2014 10:36 AM, Always Learning wrote:
> > 75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as the printer head
> > returned to the beginning of the line) and an amazingly fast speed of
> > 300 baud on the up-market Terminet (? spell
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mark Tinberg wrote:
>
>> And more to the point, /usr isn't supposed t be needed until you are
>> past the point of mounting all filesystems so you can boot from
>> something tiny. Doesn't modprobe need its files earlier than that?
>
> This work is all about being a
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 10:08:35PM +0200, ad...@rhsoft.net wrote:
>
> besides that somebody with "kill yourself" as reject message
> has no permission to judge anybody stop that lie, it won't get
> true by repeat it i am a subscriber - otherwise your mail won't
> reach my inbox
If you're going t
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>> Unless you are offering to do that for me, for free, on all my
>> systems, having to do it certainly does take something away.
>
> then just don't upgrade to RHEL7
> so what
I expect our systems to still have services running past 2020.
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>> Our servers tend to just run till they die. If we didn't need them we
>> wouldn't have bought them in the first place. I suppose there are
>> businesses with different processes that come and go, but I'm not sure
>> that is desirable
>
>
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 08:05:07AM -0700, Russell Miller wrote:
>
> And that's all I'm saying in response to you. Keep this up
> and my killfile will have one more entry.
Please stop replying to non-list subscribers in Cc: fields. Harald was
removed from this list years ago for, well, the reaso
On Jul 8, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:08 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
>> On 7/8/2014 6:53 AM, Ned Slider wrote:
>>> That's not always true.
>>>
>>> Some configs that were under /etc on el6 must now reside under /usr on el7.
>>>
>>> Take modprobe blacklists for
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 02:34:49PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Billings
> wrote> > I think that a lot of these objections are addressed here:
> >
> > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken/
>
> Ummm, 'addressed' by pointi
On 07/07/2014 06:47 PM, Always Learning wrote:
> Reading about systemd, it seems it is not well liked and reminiscent of
> Microsoft's "put everything into the Windows Registry" (Win 95 onwards).
>
> Is there a practical alternative to omnipresent, or invasive, systemd ?
>
I hate to say it ... but
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 08.07.2014 17:58, schrieb Les Mikesell:
>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
>> wrote:
>>> Also the switch from messy bash scripts to a declarative
>>> configuration makes things easier once you get used to the syntax
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 01:22:54PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> And more to the point, /usr isn't supposed t be needed until you are
>> past the point of mounting all filesystems so you can boot from
>> something tiny. Doesn't modprobe n
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 02:56:17PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> > I think that a lot of these objections are addressed here:
> >
> > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken/
>
> Great. And it's from freedesktop... as opposed to, say, a system user, and
> which i
On 07/08/2014 07:37 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
>
> Said predecessor was my first computer.
> The first time I cracked its case,
> I zapped a video card installing a new hard disk.
Never install anything while PC is plugged into power socket.
--
Ljubomir
And more to the point, /usr isn't supposed t be needed until you are
past the point of mounting all filesystems so you can boot from
something tiny. Doesn't modprobe need its files earlier than that?
>> I think that a lot of these objections are addressed here:
>>
>> http://www.freedesktop.org/w
Jonathan Billings wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 01:22:54PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> And more to the point, /usr isn't supposed t be needed until you are
>> past the point of mounting all filesystems so you can boot from
>> something tiny. Doesn't modprobe need its files earlier than that?
John R Pierce wrote:
> On 7/8/2014 11:13 AM, Richard Pierce wrote:
> stuff most folks had. But, until circa 1980, most of my actual work was
> with punchcards and/or (later) direct connect VDTs at 9600 baud. I do
> still have a USR Courier 2400E somewhere in storage, which was a 2400
> baud mod
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 01:22:54PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> And more to the point, /usr isn't supposed t be needed until you are
> past the point of mounting all filesystems so you can boot from
> something tiny. Doesn't modprobe need its files earlier than that?
I think that a lot of these o
On 7/8/2014 11:13 AM, Richard Pierce wrote:
> I personally used a 'portable' 300-baud TI Silent 700 which printed on
> thermal paper and had an acoustic coupler on the side of it for those old
> phone handsets with the two circular cups. We dialed in and waited with great
> anticipation to see t
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Robert Moskowitz
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 07/08/2014 02:04 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> > Steve Clark wrote:
>> >> On 07/08/2014 12:55 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> >>> On 07/08/2014 12:44 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
>>
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Robert Moskowitz
wrote:
>
> On 07/08/2014 02:04 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> > Steve Clark wrote:
> >> On 07/08/2014 12:55 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> >>> On 07/08/2014 12:44 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
> You aren't old.
> >>> And I am a young 21. three times ov
Mauricio Tavares wrote:
> On Jul 8, 2014 1:48 PM, "Original Woodchuck"
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 01:19:58PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> > Lamar Owen wrote:
>> > > On 07/08/2014 12:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> >
>> > > There are alot of possibilities here, if you're willing to thi
On 07/08/2014 02:04 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Steve Clark wrote:
>> On 07/08/2014 12:55 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>> On 07/08/2014 12:44 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
You aren't old.
>>> And I am a young 21. three times over. All that means is I have to
>>> learn new stuff now 3 times to get
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 10:27:41AM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> > Scott Robbins wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 02:09:49PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> > >> On 08.07.2014 13:57, Scott Robbins wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Very tru
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 11:36:07AM -0500, Gilbert Sebenste wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Lamar Owen wrote:
>>
>> People will vote with their feet on this. And, that "old white men" are
>> complaining about this is ageist, racist, and demeaning
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:08 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 7/8/2014 6:53 AM, Ned Slider wrote:
>> That's not always true.
>>
>> Some configs that were under /etc on el6 must now reside under /usr on el7.
>>
>> Take modprobe blacklists for example.
>>
>> On el5 and el6 they are in/etc/modprobe.d/
>>
On Jul 8, 2014 1:48 PM, "Original Woodchuck" wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 01:19:58PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> > Lamar Owen wrote:
> > > On 07/08/2014 12:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> >
> > > There are alot of possibilities here, if you're willing to think
outside
> > > the 1970's tim
I personally used a 'portable' 300-baud TI Silent 700 which printed on thermal
paper and had an acoustic coupler on the side of it for those old phone
handsets with the two circular cups. We dialed in and waited with great
anticipation to see the next word coming from the remote machine. You als
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 11:36:07AM -0500, Gilbert Sebenste wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Lamar Owen wrote:
>
> People will vote with their feet on this. And, that "old white men" are
> complaining about this is ageist, racist, and demeaning to EVERYONE. I am
> really disappointed in Red Hat saying
On 08/07/14 18:36, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> On 08.07.2014 15:53, Ned Slider wrote:
>> On 08/07/14 14:14, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>>> On 08.07.2014 14:58, Adrian Sevcenco wrote:
On 07/08/2014 04:22 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 20:46 -0400, Robert Mosko
m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Steve Clark wrote:
>> On 07/08/2014 12:55 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>> On 07/08/2014 12:44 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
You aren't old.
>>> And I am a young 21. three times over. All that means is I have to
>>> learn new stuff now 3 times to get it right! As some peopl
On 7/8/2014 10:36 AM, Always Learning wrote:
> 75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as the printer head
> returned to the beginning of the line) and an amazingly fast speed of
> 300 baud on the up-market Terminet (? spelling).
>
> Perhaps the speeds were 300 and 1,200 baud? It was a lo
On 7/8/2014 6:53 AM, Ned Slider wrote:
> That's not always true.
>
> Some configs that were under /etc on el6 must now reside under /usr on el7.
>
> Take modprobe blacklists for example.
>
> On el5 and el6 they are in/etc/modprobe.d/
>
> On el7 they need to be in/usr/lib/modprobe.d/
>
> If you inst
Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Michael Hennebry wrote:
>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
>>>
Asus and the like don't make BIOS, they get it from AMI or Phoenix or
whatever. It will usually say in POST screens or in the setup itself;
On 07/08/2014 01:56 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Always Learning wrote:
>> On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 13:19 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>
>>> ROTFLMAO! And can you explain the difference between "cloud" and
>>> "time-sharing on a mainframe"?
>> 75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as
Steve Clark wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 12:55 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> On 07/08/2014 12:44 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
>>> You aren't old.
>> And I am a young 21. three times over. All that means is I have to
>> learn new stuff now 3 times to get it right! As some people on this
>> list will attest t
On 07/08/2014 01:45 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Gilbert Sebenste
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>> and did the conversion for display to save another byte. Efficiency?
>>> We were desperate for every byte we could squeeze out. the US P
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Michael Hennebry wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
>>
>>> Asus and the like don't make BIOS, they get it from AMI or Phoenix or
>>> whatever. It will usually say in POST screens or in the setup itself;
>>> failing that, it might be etc
On 8.7.2014 20:45, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Gilbert Sebenste
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>> and did the conversion for display to save another byte. Efficiency?
>>> We were desperate for every byte we could squeeze out. the US Post
>>
Always Learning wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 13:19 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>
>> ROTFLMAO! And can you explain the difference between "cloud" and
>> "time-sharing on a mainframe"?
>
> 75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as the printer head
> returned to the beginning of the li
On 07/08/2014 10:36 AM, Always Learning wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 13:19 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>
>
>> ROTFLMAO! And can you explain the difference between "cloud" and
>> "time-sharing on a mainframe"?
> 75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as the printer head
> returned to
On 07/08/2014 12:55 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 12:44 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
>> You aren't old.
> And I am a young 21. three times over. All that means is I have to
> learn new stuff now 3 times to get it right! As some people on this
> list will attest to :)
>
> Soon I will be 26
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 01:19:58PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Lamar Owen wrote:
> > On 07/08/2014 12:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> > There are alot of possibilities here, if you're willing to think outside
> > the 1970's timesharing minicomputer box that gave rise to the historical
> > Unix
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Gilbert Sebenste
wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>> and did the conversion for display to save another byte. Efficiency?
>> We were desperate for every byte we could squeeze out. the US Post
>> Office created a standard so that all US citie
On 07/08/2014 01:19 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Lamar Owen wrote:
>> On 07/08/2014 12:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>
>> There are alot of possibilities here, if you're willing to think outside
>> the 1970's timesharing minicomputer box that gave rise to the historical
>> Unix philosophy. And thi
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
> On Jul 8, 2014 10:02 AM, "Michael Hennebry"
> wrote:
>> The beep codes say memory.
>> I ran memtest86 overnight and it passed.
>> That said, I'm not sure how good memtest86 is.
>> Could you suggest a memory test program that might find
>> in a few hours w
On 08.07.2014 15:53, Ned Slider wrote:
> On 08/07/14 14:14, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>> On 08.07.2014 14:58, Adrian Sevcenco wrote:
>>> On 07/08/2014 04:22 AM, Always Learning wrote:
On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 20:46 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> On 07/07/2014 07:47 PM, Always L
On 07/08/2014 08:05 AM, Russell Miller wrote:
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> and the next one talking before try to get informations
>> there is no monolithic daemon damned
>>
>> there is one project with one source tree maintaining
>> a lot of daemons and binaries - so be q
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 13:19 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> ROTFLMAO! And can you explain the difference between "cloud" and
> "time-sharing on a mainframe"?
75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as the printer head
returned to the beginning of the line) and an amazingly fast speed
On 7/8/2014 9:25 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> Physical servers can be told to skip certain parts of their POST,
> especially the memory test. Memory tests are redundant with ECC.
but, you HAVE to zero ALL of memory with ECC to initialize it.
--
john r pierce 37N
On 07/08/2014 01:11 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Lamar Owen wrote:
>> On 07/08/2014 11:58 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>>> ... How much is this going to cost a typical company _just_ to keep
>>> their existing programs working the same way over the next decade
>>> (which is a relatively short time in t
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> Memory tests are redundant with ECC. (I
> know; I have an older SuperMicro server here that passes memory testing
> in POST but throws nearly continuous ECC errors in operation; it does
> operate, though). If it fails during spinup, flag the fa
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> and did the conversion for display to save another byte. Efficiency?
> We were desperate for every byte we could squeeze out. the US Post
> Office created a standard so that all US cities (and supposedly streets)
> could be entered in 14 characters o
Darr247 wrote:
> On 08 July 2014 @16:02 zulu, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>> I certainly do not want to have to buy some more DDR2 memory.
>>
> Usually, memory sticks just need to be removed and reseated, not replaced.
> The gold plating is supposed to prevent oxidation of the contact
> surfaces, but i
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
> > >>
> > This is an unfortunate problem in the community today, anyone who
> disagrees
> > with status-quo is "just an antique", it's insulting to say the least.
> It
> > doesn't matter
Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 12:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> There are alot of possibilities here, if you're willing to think outside
> the 1970's timesharing minicomputer box that gave rise to the historical
> Unix philosophy. And this has nothing to do with Windows; I have been a
> primari
>
>
> Then that grey headed guy or gal
> gentlely leads the Q&A into a critical edge case that completely breaks
> the proposal.
When you do that to a certain developer you get banned from a certain G+
feed for make believe "personal attacks" because changing the conversation
is much simpler th
Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 10:27:41AM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Scott Robbins wrote:
>> > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 02:09:49PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>> >> On 08.07.2014 13:57, Scott Robbins wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Very true. I do remember Adam Williamson of Fedor
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 11:58 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> ... How much is this going to cost a typical company _just_ to keep
>> their existing programs working the same way over the next decade
>> (which is a relatively short time in terms of business-pro
On 07/08/2014 12:51 PM, Mauricio Tavares wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Gilbert Sebenste
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Lamar Owen wrote:
>>
>>> Les, this is the wrong question to ask. The question I ask is 'What
>>> will be my return on investment be, in potentially lower costs, to
Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 11:58 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> ... How much is this going to cost a typical company _just_ to keep
>> their existing programs working the same way over the next decade
>> (which is a relatively short time in terms of business-process changes)?
>
> Les, this is th
Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
>> >
>> And dynamic spinup of servers to handle increased load is a use case for
>> systemd's rapid bootup. They go hand-in-hand.
>
> Don't know about your servers, but ours take much, much longer for
> their boot-time memor
Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
>
>> Asus and the like don't make BIOS, they get it from AMI or Phoenix or
>> whatever. It will usually say in POST screens or in the setup itself;
>> failing that, it might be etched on the chip itself.
>
> Thanks. That enabled me
On 07/08/2014 12:44 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
> You aren't old.
And I am a young 21. three times over. All that means is I have to
learn new stuff now 3 times to get it right! As some people on this
list will attest to :)
Soon I will be 26 (2^6). So that means that I have to then learn
everyt
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Gilbert Sebenste
wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Lamar Owen wrote:
>
>> Les, this is the wrong question to ask. The question I ask is 'What
>> will be my return on investment be, in potentially lower costs, to run
>> my programs in a different way?' If there is no R
You aren't old.
(Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any spelling or
grammatical errors.)
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 9:49 AM, Russell Miller wrote:
>
>
>> On Jul 8, 2014, at 5:09 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
>> wrote:
>>
>> That presumes that your conservative attitude
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