Re: [CentOS] reboot - is there a timeout on filesystem flush?

2015-01-06 Thread Keith Keller
On 2015-01-07, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > Of course, the other possibility is simply that you've formatted your > own filesystems, and they have a maximum mount count or a check > interval. If Les is having to run fsck manually, as he wrote in his OP, then this is unlikely to be the cause of the

Re: [CentOS] dovecot move doesn't work

2015-01-06 Thread Alexander Dalloz
Am 06.01.2015 um 23:55 schrieb Chuck Campbell: I'm running centos 6.6 with the default 2.0.9-xxx dovecot. I run sa-learn against my spam_to_learn folder, then I wan to move those emails to a learned_spam folder. when I do a doveadm -Dv move -u user learned_spam mailbox 'spam_to_learn' ALL I get

Re: [CentOS] reboot - is there a timeout on filesystem flush?

2015-01-06 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 01/06/2015 04:37 PM, Gary Greene wrote: This has been discussed to death on various lists, including the LKML... Almost every controller and drive out there now lies about what is and isn’t flushed to disk, making it nigh on impossible for the Kernel to reliably know 100% of the time that the

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-06 Thread John R. Dennison
On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 06:52:48PM -0700, Warren Young wrote: > > Some people are annoyed that CentOS keeps changing on them, and keep going to > greater and greater lengths to try and argue that CentOS should not change. > > I am explaining to them why this is not a productive view. It's not r

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-06 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 20:19 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > Is there any centralized approach to converting something > that worked on CentOS6 to run on CentOS7? Does the program that is > supposed to try to automatically upgrade versions have any tricks > hidden away to fix things so they work af

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-06 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 18:51 -0700, Warren Young wrote: > I think we’ll figure out something new to do with computers tomorrow. > Certainly by Friday at latest. You seem to forget. Computers were invented to perform repetitive tasks. Computer usage should be serving mankind - not making it mor

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-06 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Warren Young wrote: > On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:49 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 06:37:42PM -0700, Warren Young wrote: >> >> Noise removed. >> >> Quick question, if I may? What does this have to do with CentOS? > > Some people are annoyed tha

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-06 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:49 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: > On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 06:37:42PM -0700, Warren Young wrote: > > Noise removed. > > Quick question, if I may? What does this have to do with CentOS? Some people are annoyed that CentOS keeps changing on them, and keep going to greater an

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-06 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 6, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Always Learning wrote: > On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 16:07 -0700, Warren Young wrote: > > >>"There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that >> remains is more and more precise measurement.” >> >> — William Thomson, Lord Kelvin, 1900 > > No

Re: [CentOS] reboot - is there a timeout on filesystem flush?

2015-01-06 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Gary Greene wrote: > > > Almost every controller and drive out there now lies about what is and isn’t > flushed to disk, making it nigh on impossible for the Kernel to reliably know > 100% of the time that the data HAS been flushed to disk. This is part of the >

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-06 Thread John R. Dennison
On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 06:37:42PM -0700, Warren Young wrote: Noise removed. Quick question, if I may? What does this have to do with CentOS? John -- Spring is nature's way of saying, "Let's party!" -- Robin Williams (1952-), American

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-06 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 6, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Warren Young wrote: >> There are more JavaScript interpreters in the world than Dalvik, ART,[2] and Java ® VMs combined. Perhaps we should rewrite everything in JavaScript instead? >>> >>> I'm c

Re: [CentOS] reboot - is there a timeout on filesystem flush?

2015-01-06 Thread Gary Greene
On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Fran Garcia wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Les Mikesell <> wrote: >> I've had a few systems with a lot of RAM and very busy filesystems >> come up with filesystem errors that took a manual 'fsck -y' after what >> should have been a clean reboot. This is pa

Re: [CentOS] reboot - is there a timeout on filesystem flush?

2015-01-06 Thread Fran Garcia
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Les Mikesell <> wrote: > I've had a few systems with a lot of RAM and very busy filesystems > come up with filesystem errors that took a manual 'fsck -y' after what > should have been a clean reboot. This is particularly annoying on > remote systems where I have to

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-06 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Warren Young wrote: > >>> There are more JavaScript interpreters in the world than Dalvik, ART,[2] >>> and Java ® VMs combined. Perhaps we should rewrite everything in >>> JavaScript instead? >> >> I'm counting the running/useful instances of actual program code,

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-06 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 16:07 -0700, Warren Young wrote: > "There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that > remains is more and more precise measurement.” > > — William Thomson, Lord Kelvin, 1900 Now means the current time. Now is not, and never will be, The (u

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-06 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 6, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Warren Young wrote: > > So, after you've spent at least 10 years rolling out machines to do > things as fast as you can, and teaching the others in your > organization to spell 'chkconfig' and use 'system ...' co

[CentOS] dovecot move doesn't work

2015-01-06 Thread Chuck Campbell
I'm running centos 6.6 with the default 2.0.9-xxx dovecot. I run sa-learn against my spam_to_learn folder, then I wan to move those emails to a learned_spam folder. when I do a doveadm -Dv move -u user learned_spam mailbox 'spam_to_learn' ALL I get this result: usage: doveadm [-Dv] [-f ] []

Re: [CentOS] When will CentOS Publish Errata?

2015-01-06 Thread Jim Perrin
On 01/06/2015 12:03 PM, Liam O'Toole wrote: > Thanks for all that. My contribution was in response to the question "Is > there some official communication channel between the CentOS Project and > Red Hat?" I should have trimmed more carefully and saved you some > keystrokes. Nope. We're still

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-06 Thread Les Mikesell
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Warren Young wrote: > > Docker will eat away at this problem going forward. You naturally will not > already have Dockerized versions of apps built 10 years ago, and it may not > be practical to create them now, but you can start insisting on getting them > toda

Re: [CentOS] When will CentOS Publish Errata?

2015-01-06 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2015-01-06, Johnny Hughes wrote: > This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) > --===4697670779706124595== Content-Type: multipart/signed; > micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; > boundary="MBFscW2dH0g022mxj8O937qiaWFFIRB5O" > > This is an OpenPGP/M

Re: [CentOS] Radeon graphics problems with CentOS 6.6

2015-01-06 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 01/05/2015 11:26 PM, John R Pierce wrote: >> On 1/5/2015 9:24 PM, Darby Vicker wrote: >>> He is suggesting I get in touch with the people who maintain the >>> CentOS kernel. >> >> that would be Red Hat, unless you're talking about the CentO

Re: [CentOS] Radeon graphics problems with CentOS 6.6

2015-01-06 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 01/05/2015 11:26 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > On 1/5/2015 9:24 PM, Darby Vicker wrote: >> He is suggesting I get in touch with the people who maintain the >> CentOS kernel. > > that would be Red Hat, unless you're talking about the CentOS Plus > kernel > > > This is correct .. we rebuild

[CentOS] reboot - is there a timeout on filesystem flush?

2015-01-06 Thread Les Mikesell
I've had a few systems with a lot of RAM and very busy filesystems come up with filesystem errors that took a manual 'fsck -y' after what should have been a clean reboot. This is particularly annoying on remote systems where I have to talk someone else through the recovery. Is there some time lim

Re: [CentOS] When will CentOS Publish Errata?

2015-01-06 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 01/05/2015 04:37 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > 2. If someone comes up with a place to get said data, THEN we could > properly publish that data in some way. get it, then validate it, then we can push it as known correct. -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kb

Re: [CentOS] When will CentOS Publish Errata?

2015-01-06 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 01/06/2015 04:25 AM, Liam O'Toole wrote: > On 2015-01-06, Somers-Harris, David | David | OPS > wrote: >>> 1. Blatant screen scraping is a violation of the terms of service >>> for RHN .. so where is a SOURCE of information for something like >>> this: >>> >>> https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHS

Re: [CentOS] Radeon graphics problems with CentOS 6.6

2015-01-06 Thread Denniston, Todd A CIV NAVSURFWARCENDIV Crane
> -Original Message- > From: Darby Vicker [mailto:darby.vic...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 12:24 AM > To: centos@centos.org > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Radeon graphics problems with CentOS 6.6 > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Darby Vicker wrote: > > On Saturday, December 2

Re: [CentOS] Hardware raid LSI Megaraid not working since Centos 6.6

2015-01-06 Thread Philippe BOURDEU d'AGUERRE
Le 06/01/2015 10:36, Philippe BOURDEU d'AGUERRE a écrit : Anyway, I will try to update firmware. I have updated firmware to version 12.15.0-0205. The problem remains :-( -- Philippe BOURDEU d'AGUERRE AIME - Campus de l'INSA http://www.aime-toulouse.fr/ 135 av. de Rangueil

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Re: [CentOS] Hardware raid LSI Megaraid not working since Centos 6.6

2015-01-06 Thread Giles Coochey
On 06/01/2015 09:36, Philippe BOURDEU d'AGUERRE wrote: Thank you for your help. Le 05/01/2015 19:10, John R Pierce a écrit : works here fine on the 9261, which is an OEM version of the same card with the connectors in a different orientation... you might check your LSI firmware revision. My

Re: [CentOS] When will CentOS Publish Errata?

2015-01-06 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2015-01-06, Somers-Harris, David | David | OPS wrote: >> 1. Blatant screen scraping is a violation of the terms of service >> for RHN .. so where is a SOURCE of information for something like >> this: >> >> https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2014-2024.html >> >> If you read this: https://acce

Re: [CentOS] Hardware raid LSI Megaraid not working since Centos 6.6

2015-01-06 Thread Philippe BOURDEU d'AGUERRE
Thank you for your help. Le 05/01/2015 19:10, John R Pierce a écrit : works here fine on the 9261, which is an OEM version of the same card with the connectors in a different orientation... you might check your LSI firmware revision. My firmware seems to be more up to date. Anyway, I will try