Re: [CentOS] Transition test report going from CentOS8 to Debian 10.

2021-08-06 Thread Lamar Owen
On 8/4/21 1:10 PM, Christopher Wensink wrote: Were these deployed on bare metal or as virtual machines?  If Virtual were they on vmware? I have a mix of bare metal and virtual, but I am slowly migrating almost all of the bare-metal servers to virtualization.  All of my production

Re: [CentOS] Transition test report going from CentOS8 to Debian 10.

2021-08-04 Thread Lamar Owen
On 2/4/21 10:39 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: ... I haven't decided whether to stay on Debian or not; too early to tell.  . Six months on, and no longer too early to tell.  I have found Debian to be minimally different from CentOS, in all actuality; much less different than transitioning

Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

2021-04-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On 4/5/21 12:20 PM, mark wrote: Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released. I've cross-graded two C8 VMs over to AL8 and thus far smooth operation.  I have NOT done any fresh installs (don't plan

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-7-x86_64-dvd-2009.iso is too big for DVD blanks

2021-03-18 Thread Lamar Owen
On 3/18/21 10:23 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: [what can be done] I am guessing someone could make an unofficial set of spins which cut out some packages to try and make it fit in single density. This is probably the solution at this point for the 'Full' DVD. In the interim, older machines

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-7-x86_64-dvd-2009.iso is too big for DVD blanks

2021-03-18 Thread Lamar Owen
On 3/18/21 1:24 AM, John R. Dennison wrote: It's not realistic to expect server-class machines not to be able to boot from dual-layer or USB media in 2021. There are environments where USB or other writeable media are not allowed on premises. While all DVD-ROM drives are supposed to read DL

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-7-x86_64-dvd-2009.iso is too big for DVD blanks

2021-03-16 Thread Lamar Owen
On 3/16/21 9:37 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: Sure, no problem.  I had a similar problem with a different version of CentOS, 8.3, which is too large to fit on a dual-layer DVD. I should have done the math before posting, sorry.  Here's the math: lowen@d10-lo-m6700:~$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/sr0 INQUIRY

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-7-x86_64-dvd-2009.iso is too big for DVD blanks

2021-03-16 Thread Lamar Owen
On 3/15/21 5:04 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 at 16:26, Lamar Owen wrote: Well, what's odd is that the actual upstream RHEL 7.9 DVD WILL fit on a single-layer DVD. Just burned one. Well I am batting 0 for 1000 today. I am clearly not a good resource at the moment

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-7-x86_64-dvd-2009.iso is too big for DVD blanks

2021-03-15 Thread Lamar Owen
On 3/15/21 8:51 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: Exactly that. Upstream Fedora and RHEL went to require dual density around Fedora 18, RHEL-7 because the amount of data was too much. Well, what's odd is that the actual upstream RHEL 7.9 DVD WILL fit on a single-layer DVD.  Just burned one.

Re: [CentOS] How to install XFCE on CentOS 8?

2021-02-27 Thread Lamar Owen
On 2/26/21 11:38 AM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: https://pagure.io/fm-orchestrator What an obvious package name. :-) Thanks for the pointer! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] How to install XFCE on CentOS 8?

2021-02-26 Thread Lamar Owen
On 2/26/21 10:40 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: From a user perspective or a building perspective? Builder. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] How to install XFCE on CentOS 8?

2021-02-25 Thread Lamar Owen
On 2/24/21 3:49 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: Not that it matters .. BUT .. EL8 is much harder to build for. There are modular components, not all the Devel files exist, etc. It is much harder than EL7. And that difficulty shows; more stable perhaps, but many fewer packages.  Is there a reference

Re: [CentOS] How to install XFCE on CentOS 8?

2021-02-11 Thread Lamar Owen
On 2/11/21 11:18 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: For the past couple years, my solution has been to use RHEL clones (CentOS and Oracle Linux) on servers only (multi-user.target). I've moved all my graphical installations (workstation, laptops, desktop clients) to OpenSUSE Leap + KDE. For a really

Re: [CentOS] Transition test report going from CentOS8 to Debian 10.

2021-02-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On 2/5/21 2:03 PM, Warren Young wrote: On Feb 5, 2021, at 9:03 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: I consider this to be very minor in comparison to other items. If you’re making a wholesale transition, sure, but when you’re maintaining a mix of systems and you know what you’re trying to accomplish

Re: [CentOS] Transition test report going from CentOS8 to Debian 10.

2021-02-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On 2/5/21 11:32 AM, m...@tdiehl.org wrote: Hi, On Thu, 4 Feb 2021, Warren Young wrote: ... 1. The package names are often different, and not always differing by an obvious translation rule.  ... Yep!! It is a pita when trying to get things running for the first time. I started this journey

Re: [CentOS] letsencrypt error

2021-02-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On 2/5/21 10:00 AM, Jerry Geis wrote: I thought someone would have ran into the same issue as I was migrating to this new way of doing things getting letsencypt working on apache. I did run into it, just on nginx.  That's why I posted the reply. ___

Re: [CentOS] Transition test report going from CentOS8 to Debian 10.

2021-02-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On 2/5/21 11:21 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: Le 05/02/2021 à 17:03, Lamar Owen a écrit : I thought long and hard about it before posting to the CentOS lists, because I don't want to be perceived as advocating for a particular transition path. I found your post highly interesting, even though I

Re: [CentOS] Transition test report going from CentOS8 to Debian 10.

2021-02-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On 2/4/21 1:23 PM, Warren Young wrote: On Feb 4, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: I posted a pretty complete rundown on the scientific linux users mailing list, so I won't recap it all here. Link? Yeah, I forgot to post the link... sorry about that.  Akemi beat me to it, so I'll

Re: [CentOS] letsencrypt error

2021-02-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On 2/5/21 7:49 AM, Jerry Geis wrote: *>>certbot-auto is no longer available. See https://certbot.eff.org/docs/install.html#id9 "We used to have a shell script named certbot-auto to help people install Certbot on UNIX operating systems, however, this script is no longer supported. If you

[CentOS] Transition test report going from CentOS8 to Debian 10.

2021-02-04 Thread Lamar Owen
Sorry for the length I'm posting this here since this particular transition has been mentioned on-list as one possibility for a path forward for current CentOS Linux users.  AlmaLinux, the Developer Subscription RHEL, Rocky, CentOS Stream, Springdale, upgrading to full RHEL; all these

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Lamar Owen
On 1/21/21 5:50 PM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: Debian has an average of two years[*] per support. Oracle has ten like upstream RHEL. Choice is pretty clear to me. [*] one year after subsequent release, so an average of one to three years depending on installation date So, I want to address the

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Lamar Owen
On 1/22/21 9:10 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: My guess is that no one wants to go to a new OS alone. They want to go with all their mailing list buddies but they also want to make a STATEMENT to stick it in the eye of Red Hat for doing this. Going to a staid and quiet existing OS doesn't

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

2020-12-17 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/16/20 5:09 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: Hi Lamar, glad to interact w/ you on the list. We both have been doing this for a long time. Yes, indeed. (Xenix V7 on a TRS-80 Model 16 in 1988..., I STILL use my vi skills from that time i my life!) I was not thrilled about this decision and it

Re: [CentOS] I'm looking forward to the future of CentOS Stream

2020-12-17 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/14/20 10:52 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: ... The main issue against using Fedora in production environments is the short lifecycle. Forcing an upgrade, and all the associated testing, auditing, etc. of the base version every year or so is not tenable for most organizations. Indeed. 

Re: [CentOS] I'm looking forward to the future of CentOS Stream

2020-12-17 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/13/20 3:25 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:05:42 +0100 Rainer Duffner wrote: It’s also not often the case that you can split this kind of work into a thousand work-packages and have everybody just work 1/2 hour a day on it. not like Debian for instance No, not at all

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8.3 bugs

2020-12-17 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/17/20 11:59 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: The compose takes place on pungi and the process has several config files, etc. Composing CentOS Linux 8 is significantly differ than other releases, and it is more complicated. We do fix things as soon as we see them. Glad to see net-snmp-perl back

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-16 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/14/20 10:54 AM, Yves Bellefeuille wrote: The article states that CentOS will now be "upstream" of RHEL instead of "downstream". This is strange to me. I never thought CentOS was upstream or downstream of RHEL; I always thought it *was* RHEL -- perhaps a little delayed, but that's not

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

2020-12-16 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/16/20 10:50 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: Why did they change the development process of RHEL .. Because they want to do the development in the community. The current process of RHEL development is closed .. they want it to be open. It is that simple. Johnny, let me say first of all thanks for

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-16 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/16/20 12:55 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Off-topic: On 12/16/20 4:11 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: 2.) The enthusiasts who were building their own machines from parts. That group is small, but they also tend to be very vocal; IT professionals often fall into this group, and MS wanted to keep

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-16 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/16/20 11:24 AM, R C wrote: On 12/16/20 8:11 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: But the Red Hat-based ecosystem version of that second group is on-topic, as the same sort of enthusiast exists here and has been very vocal about this change. Well yes it is, but it started with a remark about licensing

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-16 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/15/20 1:24 PM, R C wrote: What I meant was that MS basically, for the longest while, had their OS pre-installed on computers sold, so it "felt" free to the buyer, it came with the machine. Universities and colleges did receive bulk licenses and .NET pretty much for free in their

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

2020-12-14 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/12/20 10:34 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: My only concern ATM is whether RH can change its CentOS 7 maintenance plans as well, all of a sudden. This is what bothers me, too, but in a slightly different way.  Even for the GPL software, Red Hat actually doesn't have to provide

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

2020-12-12 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/11/20 9:51 PM, Yves Bellefeuille wrote: I'm most disappointed with the silence from Karanbir and friends. Obviously their Red Hat salary is more important to them than keeping CentOS the way it was. :-( This boggles the mind.  OF COURSE their salary should realistically be more important

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-10 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/9/20 9:37 PM, Akemi Yagi wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:07 PM Lamar Owen wrote: So, I want to address this part a bit. In MANY cases, it's not a third-party driver that ELrepo packages; it's an in-kernel driver that Red Hat has decided to disable. Such as the megaraid_sas driver I

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/9/20 12:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: While I'm not sure how we'll get there, it seems like the mutually satisfying end result would be one where third party binary drivers work with CentOS Stream kernels. Let's see what we can do. So, I want to address this part a bit.  In MANY cases,

Re: [CentOS] Centos 7 shim fix failed

2020-08-06 Thread Lamar Owen
On 8/5/20 5:40 AM, Kenneth Porter wrote: Is there some way we could get the initrd rebuild to be more verbose, so that it doesn't appear to hang? It would be nice to get feedback that something is happening, especially on an older, slower system that takes a long time for this step. While

Re: [CentOS] Fixing grub/shim issue Centos 7

2020-08-04 Thread Lamar Owen
On 8/4/20 2:31 AM, lpeci wrote: 3) Config network:     3.1) # ip addr add X.X.X.X/X dev X     3.2) # ip route add default via X.X.X.X    <--- default router While I appreciate the thoughts behind this step in the instructions, and I thank you for the post that will be useful to those

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-01 Thread Lamar Owen
On 8/1/20 11:02 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: ... [lowen@localhost ~]$ rpm -qa | grep ^kernel|grep 147 kernel-devel-4.18.0-147.8.1.el8_1.x86_64 kernel-4.18.0-147.8.1.el8_1.x86_64 kernel-modules-4.18.0-147.8.1.el8_1.x86_64 kernel-core-4.18.0-147.8.1.el8_1.x86_64 [lowen@localhost ~]$ Well, I sure fat

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-01 Thread Lamar Owen
On 7/31/20 6:35 AM, Alan McRae via CentOS wrote: I am running an Intel x64 machine using UEFI to boot an SSD. Installing the latest yum update which includes grub2 and kernel 4.18.0-193.14.2.el8_2.x86_64 renders the machine unbootable, blank screen where grub should be, no error messages,

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-01 Thread Lamar Owen
On 8/1/20 5:54 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: You said that in the centos infrastructure only one server got the problem. What are the conditions that permit the breakage? There is a particular configuration (hw/sw) case that match always the problem or it is random? I experienced the issue on a

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-01 Thread Lamar Owen
On 8/1/20 5:00 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: I would wait and install everything as a group. We should have something soon. First off, Johnny and all of the rest of the CentOS team, thank you for your efforts! Second, to all with this problem, I too experienced the issue (I posted on the

Re: [CentOS] C8 - KVM on bridge on VLAN on team issues.

2020-07-20 Thread Lamar Owen
On 6/18/20 1:35 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: So, I set up another development host, but this time using a team instead of a bond, and I'm going to try to get that working with bridged networking to a virtual guest, since it really is supposed to work, and I'm very curious why it didn't. So, finally

Re: [CentOS] what's the advantage of NetworkManager for server?

2020-06-30 Thread Lamar Owen
On 6/29/20 11:20 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: ... In the event of a power loss, many servers will boot faster than the managed Ethernet switch they are attached to.  Systems managed by network-scripts may not set up their network because there is no carrier at the time that networks-scripts

Re: [CentOS] Blog article about the state of CentOS

2020-06-24 Thread Lamar Owen
On 6/24/20 12:27 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: ... You can look in the %{BUILDTIME} query tag for build order; use the following command to get the order: rpm -qa --queryformat "%{BUILDTIME} %{NAME} %{EPOCH} %{VERSION} %{RELEASE}\n" | sort So, replying to my own post here, as build ord

Re: [CentOS] Blog article about the state of CentOS

2020-06-24 Thread Lamar Owen
On 6/20/20 6:50 AM, Peter wrote: On 20/06/20 3:50 am, Johnny Hughes wrote: And EL8 is exponentially harder with an entirely new build system and the requirement to build modules. But it seems like every major release has had reasons to be exponentially harder than the last.  With 7 it was

Re: [CentOS] C8 - KVM on bridge on VLAN on team issues.

2020-06-18 Thread Lamar Owen
On 6/17/20 4:07 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: On 6/17/20 1:51 PM, Ulf Volmer wrote: ... Just to make it sure: Did you try to disable firewalld? With my experience with libvirt and vlan bridges on Fedora, libvirt may include unwanted firewall rules which drops the traffic over the bridges. I haven't

Re: [CentOS] C8 - KVM on bridge on VLAN on team issues.

2020-06-17 Thread Lamar Owen
On 6/17/20 1:51 PM, Ulf Volmer wrote: ... Just to make it sure: Did you try to disable firewalld? With my experience with libvirt and vlan bridges on Fedora, libvirt may include unwanted firewall rules which drops the traffic over the bridges. I haven't done that yet, so I'll try that next. 

Re: [CentOS] Blog article about the state of CentOS

2020-06-17 Thread Lamar Owen
On 6/17/20 3:32 PM, Phil Perry wrote: On my home file server for example, which is not connected to the internet, what does it matter if the release is 1 month or 3 months out of date? I can install the server in the knowledge it's going to work, and be supported with updates for 10 years

Re: [CentOS] Blog article about the state of CentOS

2020-06-17 Thread Lamar Owen
On 6/17/20 10:19 AM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: ... I wonder about the authors conclusion; the fact that RHEL is the choice for critical applications (what ever critical is) is known since the early days. This applies randomly to C5.11, C4.9 or C8.2.2004. So - cold soup get cooked again

Re: [CentOS] C8 - KVM on bridge on VLAN on team issues.

2020-06-17 Thread Lamar Owen
On 6/17/20 11:04 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: ... It shows as being defined to 1.  I'm going to try adding to sysctl.conf and see if that makes any difference, though. No difference.  What is aggravating, though, is virtually every howto on bridging out there refers to the deprecated brctl utility

Re: [CentOS] C8 - KVM on bridge on VLAN on team issues.

2020-06-17 Thread Lamar Owen
On 6/17/20 9:59 AM, Deventer-2, M.S.J. van wrote: Hi, the first thing that comes to mind, did you set ip_forward to enable in /etc/sysctl.conf ? net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 Should explain why you IP on the bridge works but not on the vms. First, thanks for the reply and excellent suggestion. 

[CentOS] C8 - KVM on bridge on VLAN on team issues.

2020-06-17 Thread Lamar Owen
As part of my initial KVM host on C8 deployment, I decided to set up some HA features on the new host, specifically NIC teaming. Teaming seems to be bond++ of a sort, so I thought I would at least try it.  So here's the scenario: 1.) Server with two gigabit ethernet ports, two Cisco switches.

Re: [CentOS] virt-manager guest and sound

2020-06-10 Thread Lamar Owen
On 6/10/20 10:57 AM, Jerry Geis wrote: I am running C7 host and pulse audio. I have a Win 10 guest with ICH9 audio. It works - but I hear artifacts. Anything to do to help audio be flawless under guest VM ? I've experienced this as well, and haven't really dug into it, since my main pro

[CentOS] In CentOS 8 new install, old /home, .desktop opens in gedit

2020-06-10 Thread Lamar Owen
Ok, hoping someone has seen this or at least knows where to look. I have been waiting around a bit to upgrade my system to CentOS 8, and actually wanted to wait on 8.2, but had an opportunity this week to actually do the work, so took the opportunity.  Here was my process: 1.) Installed

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS Linux 8 (1911)

2020-01-16 Thread Lamar Owen
On 1/16/20 2:07 PM, Warren Young wrote: On Jan 16, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: ...or maybe even 8.1.1911 (which is part of the name of the DVD ISO file), but officially it's CentOS 8 (1911). $ lsb_release -a LSB Version: :core-4.1-amd64:core-4.1-noarch Distributor ID: CentOS

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS Linux 8 (1911)

2020-01-16 Thread Lamar Owen
On 1/16/20 6:49 AM, Peter wrote: On 16/01/20 4:14 am, Brian Stinson wrote: Release for CentOS Linux 8 (1911) We are pleased to announce the general availability of CentOS Linux 8. CentOS 8 was released in September 2019.  Don't you mean 8.1? No, they mean CentOS 8 (1911).  This was hashed to

Re: [CentOS] copying files to fill flash drives

2020-01-10 Thread Lamar Owen
On 1/10/20 2:33 AM, Frank Cox wrote: Back in the days of DOS I had a program that I obtained from somewhere called FILL. ... Before I re-invent the wheel here, does someone already have a way to do this with Linux so you can write a series of flash drives and fill them with the contents of a

Re: [CentOS] State of CentOS 8

2019-12-26 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/23/19 3:16 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: Le 23/12/2019 à 02:48, Akemi Yagi a écrit : You may want to watch the "CR work" on that wiki page. CR seems to be empty right now. Not any more; updating one of my testing C8 VMs to the CR content now.

Re: [CentOS] C8: Wayland Session / Cut and Paste

2019-11-07 Thread Lamar Owen
On 11/7/19 3:13 PM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: Is this the normal behavior now? Cutting text in gedit and pasting it into the terminal needs that the source application stays running? I've run into this behavior for a while, for several CentOS versions, depending upon the application.

Re: [CentOS] Odd issue with 7.7.1908 updated with qemu-kvm-ev

2019-10-15 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/15/19 10:28 AM, Simon Matter via CentOS wrote: Hi, ... After the update on the host to 7.7.1908, the network stopped running. The host also has a CentOS 7 guest that is still working properly.  If I change the 2.1 system to not automatically load the e1000 driver and console in and

[CentOS] Odd issue with 7.7.1908 updated with qemu-kvm-ev

2019-10-15 Thread Lamar Owen
So, I have a client that has an internal use application that needs an ancient version of libc5.  That's not a typo; libc5.  Before the server that ran it died about a year and a half ago (said server was an AMD K6-2/450 with a 6GB Western Digital Caviar drive that had been spinning nearly

Re: [CentOS] Gstreamer1

2019-10-15 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/14/19 9:06 PM, Jerry Geis wrote: How do I tell from source rpm's: 1) the build order of gstreamer packages I replied from my phone yesterday, and it doesn't appear to have gone through... The _chronological_ build order is most easily inferred from the RPM tag %{BUILDTIME}.  Usage

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 network-scripts

2019-10-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/5/19 2:14 PM, Always Learning wrote: Technically [the new automobile] was never an "upgrade" but a brand new and alternative system. ... The automobile was originally billed in many areas as the 'horseless carriage,' an upgrade. Luxury. Try running on a 32k single processor computer,

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 network-scripts

2019-10-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/5/19 11:29 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: ... On the other hand, most of the idea that the old config scripts were deterministic and imperative was built on a large amount of hacks to try and make it so. Having spent more time than I want dealing with systems which seem to be just like

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 network-scripts

2019-10-04 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/4/19 11:39 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: ... I have VM in NAT mode mostly these days, but sometimes I need bridged network to recognize some hardware on the network, Mikrotik WiFi routers or printers so I need ability to go to bridge. I've kludged together a solution for those times

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 network-scripts

2019-10-04 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/4/19 11:02 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: ... It is OK if your KVM host is on LAN cable that never is disconnected or power goes down. But I have a laptop I use first at work where I use LAN and then at home where I use WLAN only, and suspending laptop is same as disconnecting LAN,

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 network-scripts

2019-10-04 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/4/19 10:40 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: My impression is younger generation doesn't value rules that programmers were following 2-3 decades ago. One of which is: Do not make any changes [in the program] unless they are absolutely necessary. I have in the past agreed with this assessment

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 network-scripts

2019-10-04 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/4/19 10:00 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: On 10/4/19 3:03 PM, Chris Adams wrote: ... See the NetworkManager-config-server package. Ahh, thanks. I was wondering about it but never investigated. H. Description : This adds a NetworkManager configuration file to make it behave more

Re: [CentOS] kpatch (live kernel patching) in CentOS 7.7?

2019-10-04 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/4/19 9:35 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: ... I'm still puzzled why RedHat is doing it then, and making it more generally available (to paying customers even), if it's so dire a proposition that it will fail so badly, so often. That seems counter-intuitive to me. It would likely boil down

Re: [CentOS] C8 install libreoffice

2019-09-28 Thread Lamar Owen
On 9/27/19 6:07 PM, Jerry Geis wrote: How do you install libreoffice. yum install libreoffice did not do it, doing a search on "centos 8 install libreoffice" did not provide anything. Thanks Well, libreoffice packages ARE in AppStream, and a 'yum list|grep ^libreoffice shows a bunch, but

Re: [CentOS] Opinions on using CR repository in production environments.

2019-09-13 Thread Lamar Owen
On 9/12/19 3:10 PM, Gwaland wrote: ... So would you treat it as a production repository or for testing only? Do we know how it's actually intended to be treated? Well, like virtually everything else, It Depends (TM). The first depends, for me, is how critical are the fixes relative to what I

Re: [CentOS] Mail server with both postfix and sendmail installed, active MTA gets switched.

2019-01-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On 1/5/19 2:18 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 1/4/19 8:29 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: I have had updates twice now switch the active MTA to sendmail, and I have to manually 'systemctl disable sendmail; systemctl stop sendmail' and 'systemctl enable postfix;systemctl start postfix' afterwards. Run

[CentOS] Mail server with both postfix and sendmail installed, active MTA gets switched.

2019-01-04 Thread Lamar Owen
Ok, so a bit of a long subject line there... I'm running an email server using postfix, but a critical third-party package being used requires 'sendmail' the package.  No, I can't uninstall that package, please don't suggest that, and I don't have control of its requires.  So both postfix and

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 + GNOME : all icon themes broken after update from CR

2018-11-22 Thread Lamar Owen
On 11/20/18 8:48 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 11/18/2018 09:01 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: Le 18/11/2018 à 15:30, Lamar Owen a écrit : I did the update from CR, and have some pretty serious issues. ... Since Red Hat decided to roll in some major GNOME updates between minor releases, I'm

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 + GNOME : all icon themes broken after update from CR

2018-11-18 Thread Lamar Owen
I did the update from CR, and have some pretty serious issues.  Until I blew away (by mv to a different name) the .local and .config directory trees, I couldn't log in to GNOME at all.  After doing that, I can log in, but if I do any actual work, GNOME crashes, and abrt-cli from root in

Re: [CentOS] Vmware - Slightly off topic

2018-04-25 Thread Lamar Owen
On 04/24/2018 01:26 PM, Jerry Geis wrote: What is the correct way to provide a CentOS 7 - WMware image for ESX ? ... I just want to be able to provide a pre-built image with CentOS 7 and my other programs on a bootable VMware image that is easily imported into any VMware platform - Workstation,

Re: [CentOS] Down C6 ALL without torrent ?

2018-04-25 Thread Lamar Owen
On 04/18/2018 09:58 PM, Always Learning wrote: ... It would be nice to have everything (part 1 and part 2) on the same bootable USB stick. You should be able to install most things with just DVD1, and there are good instructions on the CentOS Wiki about how to go about generating the USB stick

Re: [CentOS] Ubiquiti Model UAP-AC-PRO

2018-02-27 Thread Lamar Owen
On 02/27/2018 08:31 AM, Bill Gee wrote: 1) The resolution of "unifi" by DNS is to the machine hosting the Unifi Controller software. Is that correct? Yes, that's correct. How did you add an FQDN of "unifi" to your DNS? I added a new zone to /etc/named.conf for the ZONE 'unifi' pointing to a

Re: [CentOS] Ubiquiti Model UAP-AC-PRO

2018-02-26 Thread Lamar Owen
On 02/15/2018 08:41 PM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote: It looks like the setup requires the use of software; they have some packages that are ready made for Ubuntu and Debian, but not RedHat https://www.ubnt.com/download/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-pro Have any of you tried or succeeded in installation this

Re: [CentOS] Firefox print to file fail silent & side notes of cms4all.

2017-12-02 Thread Lamar Owen
On 11/06/2017 05:08 PM, Andreas Benzler wrote: Hello everyone, in time when i start to rebuilt my csm4all-media, I tryed to print into file from firefox. The print box close but no pdf is created. While attempting to print to PDF today I ran into this same issue. It's SELinux throwing the

Re: [CentOS] Failed attempts

2017-11-28 Thread Lamar Owen
On 11/28/2017 12:04 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: Thanks, Lamar! that is very instructive. You're welcome. I was always unimpressed with persistence of attempts to make more secure (less pickable) cylinder cased locks (precision, multi-level, pins at a weird locations/angles). The best way to

Re: [CentOS] Admins supporting both RHEL and CentOS

2017-11-28 Thread Lamar Owen
On 11/28/2017 08:06 AM, Joseph L. Casale wrote: What is the case with users on this list who support both [rolling releases like the normal CentOS model and 'constrain to the point releases' as is possible with RHEL]? I personally run RHEL just like my CentOS installs, as a rolling release.

Re: [CentOS] Failed attempts

2017-11-28 Thread Lamar Owen
On 11/27/2017 02:02 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Pete Biggs wrote: - don't run ssh on 22, use a different port. I consider that pointless security-through-obscurity. Security through obscurity it may be, but it isn't pointless. Tarpits are in a similar class; they don't help with security

Re: [CentOS] Comparing directories recursively

2017-11-07 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/27/2017 05:27 PM, H wrote: What is the best tool to compare file hashes in two different drives/directories such as after copying a large number of files from one drive to another? I used cp -au to copy directories, not rsync, since it is between local disks. I typically use 'rsync -av

Re: [CentOS] How to encourage maintainers to update their software

2017-11-07 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/28/2017 01:28 PM, Japheth Cleaver wrote: It didn't seem to use to be that case. IMO it makes a lot more sense to wrap distro-specific .spec file changes in conditionals and let the rpmbuild do the right thing than to post and maintain separate versions for Fedora, EPEL, and anything

Re: [CentOS] /var/run/... being deleted :((

2017-10-13 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/13/2017 10:19 AM, Anand Buddhdev wrote: .. Stop trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Whee, I just _know_ I'm going to be positively skewered (and maybe even plonked!) for this but, hey, it's Friday, and this post is meant to be a bit funny.  So lighten up, and enjoy a

Re: [CentOS] /var/run/... being deleted :((

2017-10-13 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/13/2017 10:02 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: I see at least two possible intermediate results: The RHEL 7 folks do something, perhaps make a package, to  make pseudo-persistence super easy to get. ... This already exists as systemd-tmpfiles, as was mentioned in the thread by someone else. 

Re: [CentOS] /var/run/... being deleted :((

2017-10-11 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/11/2017 03:42 PM, Alice Wonder wrote: When I need daemon (or other not human user) produced data to persist a reboot, I use /srv - I don't know if that is technically correct or not, but it seems highly unlikely /srv would ever be a candidate for wipe on boot. Perhaps the package in

Re: [CentOS] Flame war police

2017-10-11 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/11/2017 04:05 PM, Mark Haney wrote: On 10/11/2017 02:44 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: Hi Mark, been a while since I saw you last in Asheville. Hey Lamar, long time no see.  ... [snip] Yeah, too long.  Come by and visit some time. The core issue in the /var/run thread is one of lack

Re: [CentOS] /var/run/... being deleted :((

2017-10-11 Thread Lamar Owen
On 09/21/2017 08:14 AM, hw wrote: what keeps deleting files and directories under /var/run?  Having them deleted is extremely annoying because after a reboot, things are suddenly broken because services don´t start. You've received a lot of advice, criticism, and information from this

Re: [CentOS] Flame war police

2017-10-11 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/10/2017 11:22 AM, Mark Haney wrote: We have this discussion on every list I've ever been, or currently are on about every 6 months or so.  I do my best to contribute to the list as often as I can, but I can't help people when they are deadset on doing dangerous things.  Posts like his,

Re: [CentOS] /boot partition too small

2017-10-11 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/10/2017 09:20 PM, Robert Nichols wrote: For you, there really is no way around the messy and delicate process of shrinking and relocating a filesystem and the LVM volumes to make space for a larger /boot partition. Frankly, I would hesitate to do that in place on my own system, and I

Re: [CentOS] Centos 7.4.1708 dependency problems

2017-09-16 Thread Lamar Owen
Greg, according to the release notes "Known Issues" section (  https://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS7?action=show=Manuals%2FReleaseNotes%2FCentOS7.1708#head-281c090cc4fbc6bb5c7d4cd82a266fce807eee7c ) you need to run "yum downgrade libgpod" first.  I have updated a dozen or so

Re: [CentOS] Update to 7.4 using DVD

2017-09-13 Thread Lamar Owen
On 09/13/2017 04:40 PM, Jerry Geis wrote: I am running the propriatry NVIDIA driver 384.69 for GT 720 support. The ELrepo driver works very well for me with CentOS 7.4.1708 on a Dell Precision M6700.  Here's what I have: ++ [lowen@localhost ~]$ nvidia-detect -v Probing for supported NVIDIA

[CentOS] Odd switch of running MTA during update through CR to 7.4.1708

2017-08-26 Thread Lamar Owen
to remove sendmail altogether, but I would have thought that the startup settings would have been honored anyway. -- Lamar Owen Chief Technology Officer Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 828-862-5554 www.pari.edu

Re: [CentOS] What RH-like on a Dell XPS 15 (9590)?

2017-08-02 Thread Lamar Owen
On 07/27/2017 04:16 PM, wwp wrote: ... It is as simple as unknown hardware at boot up, it's a well known issue w/ *Lake hardware (modern hardware) that kernel 3.x cannot handle. CentOS7 has a kernel which is simply not modern, unable to handle lots of computers sold currently. That said, there

Re: [CentOS] CentOS SDR Support

2017-08-02 Thread Lamar Owen
On 07/19/2017 11:02 AM, Chris Olson wrote: We have been following up with regard to how SDR capabilities might be used for obtaining time using SDR dongles as well as using the time source product referenced in that response. ... One thing that we did not find was any reference at all to SDR

Re: [CentOS] Firefox 52.2.x and javascipt issues

2017-07-06 Thread Lamar Owen
On 07/05/2017 03:27 PM, Bernard Lheureux wrote: Hi all, Is it me or there are a lot of troubles with Firefox ESR 52.2.x and javascript ??? I face a lot of troubles with pages I used before correctly running javascript, since the update to firefox-52.2.0-1.el7.centos.x86_64 on my EL7 laptop

Re: [CentOS] System Time Source

2017-05-25 Thread Lamar Owen
[Going a bit off-topic here, and going to do a bit of a deep-dive on RF stuff, but maybe it will be useful to Chris] On 05/24/2017 12:20 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: It is insightful, yet... There are a bunch of other factors that may need to be taken into account. Angular transmission pattern of

Re: [CentOS] System Time Source

2017-05-24 Thread Lamar Owen
On 05/24/2017 11:29 AM, Pete Biggs wrote: ... The terrestrial radio clocks are actually not that accurate. They are not designed for keeping things like a system clock "correct". Commercial solutions only keep to within about +/- 0.5s per day, with resynchronisation happening about once a day.

Re: [CentOS] SCSI drives and Centos 7

2017-04-29 Thread Lamar Owen
On 04/29/2017 09:50 AM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote: Has anyone used Centos 7 on SCSI drives, or am I going to need to get an upgrade of the server? The server is working great. I am, on IBM LS20 blades. The SCSI controller, according to lspci, is: 02:02.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic /

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