Re: [CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-08 Thread Arun Khan
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Steve Brooks wrote: > The retailer is certainly willing to refund and the manufacturer is > also willing to replace.. The worrying part is that the drives that were > replaced under warranty should *not* find there way back onto the shelves > re-packaged as new ent

Re: [CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-08 Thread John R Pierce
On 10/8/2013 2:17 AM, Giles Coochey wrote: > I don't know much about SMART, but I get the impression that the > drives decide to fail themselves when some metric goes anomalous, > rather than continue running and potentially cause data corruption. > Therefore there's likely to be a large number

Re: [CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-08 Thread Giles Coochey
On 07/10/2013 19:28, John R Pierce wrote: On 10/7/2013 5:59 AM, Eliezer Croitoru wrote: I am still wating for WD or SEAGATE representetive of them to describe for me the details of how a how a drive was made from 0 to 100. I'm sure they both consider that information trade secret. its my under

Re: [CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-07 Thread John R Pierce
On 10/7/2013 5:59 AM, Eliezer Croitoru wrote: > I am still wating for WD or SEAGATE representetive of them to describe > for me the details of how a how a drive was made from 0 to 100. I'm sure they both consider that information trade secret. its my understanding that testing done on the factory

Re: [CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-07 Thread Eliezer Croitoru
Hey Levi, This is another angle that you are talking about. I would not worry about it that much if it is seald with the manufacturer stamp on it. what whould be done on the drive?? somebody transfered some data? these counters are there for a reason and I would want the manufactrer to do couple t

Re: [CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-06 Thread Birta Levente
On 07/10/2013 00:49, Eliezer Croitoru wrote: On 10/05/2013 02:57 AM, Peter wrote: On 10/05/2013 11:39 AM, Eliezer Croitoru wrote: Hey, I was wondering about enterprise class drives: Do you really expect the drive to be shipped to you before even a basic validation test? Hello, I think any t

Re: [CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-06 Thread Eliezer Croitoru
On 10/05/2013 02:57 AM, Peter wrote: > On 10/05/2013 11:39 AM, Eliezer Croitoru wrote: >> Hey, >> >> I was wondering about enterprise class drives: >> Do you really expect the drive to be shipped to you before even a basic >> validation test? > > I would expect 24 or maybe 48 hours for a burn-in,

Re: [CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-04 Thread Peter
On 10/05/2013 11:39 AM, Eliezer Croitoru wrote: > Hey, > > I was wondering about enterprise class drives: > Do you really expect the drive to be shipped to you before even a basic > validation test? I would expect 24 or maybe 48 hours for a burn-in, but not 87 days. Peter __

Re: [CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-04 Thread Eliezer Croitoru
Hey, I was wondering about enterprise class drives: Do you really expect the drive to be shipped to you before even a basic validation test? Do you understand that a basic spindown to the car is needed to make sure that all the parts are fine and the car actually works?? I would try to imagine mys

Re: [CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-03 Thread John R Pierce
On 10/3/2013 8:36 AM, John Doe wrote: > There's also the grey area of the "like new", refurbished (by the > manufacturer, > or even the vendor), etc... especially on ebay. a LOT of 'refurbish' stuff is refurbed by 3rd parties, neither the OEM or the reseller, and then reinserted into the grey ma

Re: [CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-03 Thread John Doe
From: Steve Brooks > I ordered three new "Enterprise hard drives" this month from a well > known > UK online retailer. The drives arrived as new in their anti-static > packaging. Before using one of the drives in a mission critical hardware > raid I checked the SMART attributes and was amazed

Re: [CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-03 Thread Giles Coochey
On 02/10/2013 17:28, Stephen Harris wrote: And name the retailer... +1000 Come on, this isn't the BBC, name the retailer and the manufacturer... -- Regards, Giles Coochey, CCNP, CCNA, CCNAS NetSecSpec Ltd +44 (0) 8444 780677 +44 (0) 7983 877438 http://www.coochey.net http://www.netsecspec.co.

Re: [CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-02 Thread aurfalien
On Oct 2, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Steve Brooks wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 05:24:54PM +0100, Steve Brooks wrote: >> >>> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 098 097 000Old_age - 2106 >>> 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age - 80 >> >>> replaced with

Re: [CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-02 Thread Steve Brooks
> On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 05:24:54PM +0100, Steve Brooks wrote: > >>9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 098 097 000Old_age - 2106 >> 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age - 80 > >> replaced with new drives. Wow... I was also told by the online retaile

Re: [CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-02 Thread Billy Crook
In fact it is prudent to completely test each drive before use. I recommend scripting several rounds of dd, badblocks, all smart tests, and some hdparm interaction. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Steve Brooks wrote: > > Hi All, > > I know many of us here manage RAID on our Centos based servers

Re: [CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-02 Thread Stephen Harris
On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 05:24:54PM +0100, Steve Brooks wrote: >9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 098 097 000Old_age - 2106 > 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age - 80 > replaced with new drives. Wow... I was also told by the online retailer > th

[CentOS] "Enterprise Class Hard Drive" - Scam Warning

2013-10-02 Thread Steve Brooks
Hi All, I know many of us here manage RAID on our Centos based servers so this may be of interest to us all. I ordered three new "Enterprise hard drives" this month from a well known UK online retailer. The drives arrived as new in their anti-static packaging. Before using one of the drives i