Jake Shipton wrote:
Post #148.
You count your posts?
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From: Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com
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Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:57:42 PM
Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone? - debate
Gabriel - IP Guys wrote:
When someone asked “When will **CentOS 5.4 come out??** The answer is,
“When
On 16/10/09 09:38, Ian Blackwell wrote:
Jake Shipton wrote:
Post #148.
You count your posts?
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No, that's the post # in the thread, of which
Jake Shipton wrote:
On 16/10/09 09:38, Ian Blackwell wrote:
Jake Shipton wrote:
Post #148.
You count your posts?
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No, that's the
Les Mikesell a écrit :
I think for a lot of us, the 'we'll release when it's ready' mentality
is the main reason we aren't using debian. I don't think CentOS should
repeat their mistakes.
Well, I'm glad they actually *do* repeat that special mistake. Do you
prefer
Niki Kovacs schrieb:
Les Mikesell a écrit :
I think for a lot of us, the 'we'll release when it's ready' mentality
is the main reason we aren't using debian. I don't think CentOS should
repeat their mistakes.
Well, I'm glad they actually *do* repeat that special mistake. Do
First I'd like to make sure I am not complaining about this delay between
the RHEL and CentOS releases per se. I did not help in any way to make it
happen faster and usually I don't mind having a three weeks gap between
them.
But I've noticed that we had two security related kernel updates
from
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Rainer Duffner rai...@ultra-secure.de wrote:
It's good to have a fixed date to work towards.
Otherwise, you get feature-creep, where more and more stuff goes into
the release but never stabilizes.
I don't think feature-creep is an issue in CentOS. I think the
On 10/16/2009 05:25 AM, Rainer Duffner wrote:
Niki Kovacs schrieb:
Les Mikesell a écrit :
I think for a lot of us, the 'we'll release when it's ready' mentality
is the main reason we aren't using debian. I don't think CentOS should
repeat their mistakes.
Well, I'm glad they
On 10/15/2009 07:12 AM, Mathew S. McCarrell wrote:
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:45 AM, mbneto mbn...@gmail.com
mailto:mbn...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked!
centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~
Majian wrote on 10/16/2009 06:57 AM:
...
But I've noticed that we had two security related kernel updates
from RHEL since the RHEL 5.3 release and there is no word on when it will be
released or why is it taking so long.
So hope it would release soon ~~~
The -164 kernel has been in updates
Soon means soon ... we have to get the tree stable on many servers
before we can make it available. This stuff takes time.
I think this is the major source of this latest flurry
about the release date.
The twitter posting from KB said soon and then things
went quiet for 2 days without any
You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you?
We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this
soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built,
isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked,
keystrokes typed, bathroom
Toby Bluhm wrote:
You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you?
We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this
soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built,
isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked,
keystrokes
Toby Bluhm wrote:
You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you?
We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this
soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built,
isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked,
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:13:21 -0400
Toby Bluhm t...@alltechmedusa.com wrote:
You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you?
We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this
soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built,
isos transfered,
You know if this was a new X-Box, or PlayStation, we might be sleeping
in a tent next to the front of the store selling them wait for the store
to be open. Or sleeping in line at the New Opening Release of Star Wars
12 Return of the O/S... We are all a little bit of a geek and this
stuff
Adrian Sevcenco schrieb:
Toby Bluhm wrote:
You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you?
We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of
this soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages
built, isos transfered, server update progress by region,
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:28:11 +0100
Marcelo M. Garcia marcelo.maia.gar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Toby Bluhm wrote:
You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you?
We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this
soon crap will do. Please post a progress
Marcelo M. Garcia wrote:
Toby Bluhm wrote:
You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you?
We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this
soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built,
isos transfered, server update progress by region,
Marcelo M. Garcia wrote:
Toby Bluhm wrote:
You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you?
We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this
soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built,
isos transfered, server update progress by region,
Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote:
Marcelo M. Garcia wrote:
Toby Bluhm wrote:
You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you?
We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this
soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built,
isos transfered,
Toby Bluhm wrote:
You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you?
We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this
soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built,
isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked,
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg
nicolas.thierry-m...@imag.fr wrote:
Marcelo M. Garcia wrote:
Toby Bluhm wrote:
You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you?
We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this
soon crap will do. Please post
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote:
Someone is obviously sarcasm-challenged today. But there is
a middle ground for people who would like a best-effort idea
of what to expect.
and 'best-efforts' is a SLA concept -- if an SLA is needed,
you already know the answer
-- Russ herrold
On 16/10/09 14:13, Toby Bluhm wrote:
You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you?
We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this
soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built,
isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours
R P Herrold wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote:
Someone is obviously sarcasm-challenged today. But there is
a middle ground for people who would like a best-effort idea
of what to expect.
and 'best-efforts' is a SLA concept -- if an SLA is needed,
you already know the
Adrian Sevcenco wrote:
Toby Bluhm wrote:
You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you?
We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of
this soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages
built, isos transfered, server update progress by region,
Look, it's not me that wants it. It's . . . it's the servers, OKAY? I
think they've got a jones on for 5.4. I walk past the cpu room and hear
trashing and growling. I look inside and it's all quiet and normal and
all that - but I *know* something is going on in there. They're
emanating a
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote:
R P Herrold wrote:
and 'best-efforts' is a SLA concept -- if an SLA is needed,
you already know the answer
It's also the sort of thing people in a community try to do
for each other without needing legal terms for enforcement.
You raise a new
R P Herrold wrote:
and 'best-efforts' is a SLA concept -- if an SLA is needed,
you already know the answer
It's also the sort of thing people in a community try to do
for each other without needing legal terms for enforcement.
You raise a new argument, an orthogonal strawman, as is your
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote:
Soon means soon ... we have to get the tree stable on many servers
before we can make it available. This stuff takes time.
Take all the time you need, as always. We all appreciate the great
work you folks do, and if
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote:
No one questions your effort on the technical side - or has a right to.
Why is it so hard to share what is going on?
I began publishing the pre-centos cAos (or fedora.us)
buildsystem in February 2002 under the GPL (then v2) and
updated it from time
Hi,
The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked! centos
internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'. Any ETA?
- Regards.
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mbneto wrote:
Hi,
The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked!
centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'.
Any ETA?
Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a release
date? Go pay for RHEL.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:45 AM, mbneto mbn...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked! centos
internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'. Any ETA?
- Regards.
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho
mig...@ic.unicamp.br wrote:
mbneto wrote:
Hi,
The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked!
centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'.
Any ETA?
Just relax and wait, this is
On 15/10/09 14:41, Jeremy Rosengren wrote:
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho
mig...@ic.unicamp.br mailto:mig...@ic.unicamp.br wrote:
mbneto wrote:
Hi,
The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked!
centos internal
Many of the questions are due to ignorance from many of us not versed in
what it take s to come up with the release. For Version 5.5 when we get
that far, if some one could work up a quick and dirty web page
checklist showing the basic progress and what steps are left to bring
the release to
Jeremy Rosengren wrote:
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho
mig...@ic.unicamp.br mailto:mig...@ic.unicamp.br wrote:
mbneto wrote:
Hi,
The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked!
centos internal network will start
Jeremy Rosengren wrote:
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho
mig...@ic.unicamp.br mailto:mig...@ic.unicamp.br wrote:
mbneto wrote:
Hi,
The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked!
centos internal network will start
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Drew Weaver wrote:
Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a release
date? Go pay for RHEL.
This response is just as annoying as the request for an update.
-- j
+1
Annoying and rude.
This might be why the Linux community as a
Hi Miguel,
Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately it seems that the 'all or nothing' way
of thinking is more common that I expected.Anyone that read my post can
see that I did not use 'why is it taking so long?' or similar comments that
suggests that I am somewhat angry or anything.
I was just
Gilbert Sebenste wrote:
This whole thread and these answers are uncalled for. All of them, except
for the original above at the top.
But virtually guaranteed for any process that isn't transparent.
Someone must enjoy it. Maybe the anticipation is supposed to build up
excitement.
--
Dear All,
If someone asks a question such as When is Centos 5.4 coming out bare
in mind that it may be because they genuinely want to know when it's
coming out, and feel that somehow, they have not been privy to that
information. To me, I see CentOS as a polished professional product
given
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote:
But virtually guaranteed for any process that isn't transparent.
Someone must enjoy it. Maybe the anticipation is supposed to build up
excitement.
Thanks for the jab. It is fun to be punched.
If there were not false steps along any path, one would
Gabriel - IP Guys wrote:
When someone asked “When will **CentOS 5.4 come out??** The answer is,
“When it is good and ready”, and when they ask “Why/What does that
mean?”, ask them to Google “*open source distribution release cycle*”.
That should keep them busy for long enough for me/you
R P Herrold wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote:
But virtually guaranteed for any process that isn't transparent.
Someone must enjoy it. Maybe the anticipation is supposed to build up
excitement.
Thanks for the jab. It is fun to be punched.
It's not fun on the other side of
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
Gabriel - IP Guys wrote:
When someone asked “When will **CentOS 5.4 come out??** The answer is,
“When it is good and ready”, and when they ask “Why/What does that
mean?”, ask them to Google “*open source
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
It's not fun on the other side of this fence either. Being kept in the
dark makes you imagine all sorts of scary things.
Oh give me a break. The CentOS developers have consistently released a
solid distribution. If I
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Les Mikesell
lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
It's not fun on the other side of this fence either. Being kept in
the
dark makes you imagine all sorts of scary things.
Oh give me a break. The CentOS developers have consistently released a
solid
Les Mikesell wrote:
I think for a lot of us, the 'we'll release when it's ready' mentality
is the main reason we aren't using debian. I don't think CentOS should
repeat their mistakes.
So what do you suggest? Release the OS with known problems, just to
satisfy a date and the hysteria
aurfal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Les Mikesell
lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
It's not fun on the other side of this fence either. Being kept in
the
dark makes you imagine all sorts of scary things.
Oh give me a break. The CentOS developers have consistently
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Les Mikesell
lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
It's not fun on the other side of this fence either. Being kept in
the
dark makes you imagine all sorts of scary things.
Oh give me a break. The CentOS developers have consistently
released a
solid distribution.
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