Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-23 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 23/10/2019 à 22:32, Jonathan Billings a écrit : One major change is that the Firewalld in el8 doesn’t use “iptables” rules (netfilter) but instead “nft” rules (nftables). Old habits die hard: https://github.com/kikinovak/firewall/blob/master/public/firewall.sh :o) -- Microlinux -

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-23 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Oct 22, 2019, at 15:04, Chris Adams wrote: > > firewalld is not really the same thing as iptables though; it's more of > a management layer on top of just writing raw rules. One big issue I > have though is that firewalld always sets up kernel connection state > tracking, which is not a good

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-23 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On 2019-10-23 12:54, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 12:11:04PM -0600, David G. Miller wrote: "ip" should be used instead.  Likewise for using dnf instead of yum, systemctl instead of service, firewallcmd instead of iptables, etc. I wonder how many shell scripts there are "out

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-23 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 13:54, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 12:11:04PM -0600, David G. Miller wrote: > > "ip" should be used instead. Likewise for using dnf instead of yum, > > systemctl instead of service, firewallcmd instead of iptables, etc. > > I wonder how many shell

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 12:11:04PM -0600, David G. Miller wrote: > "ip" should be used instead.  Likewise for using dnf instead of yum, > systemctl instead of service, firewallcmd instead of iptables, etc. > I wonder how many shell scripts there are "out there" that folks > have written or

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-23 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 10/22/19 1:26 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 14:11, David G. Miller wrote: >> On 10/22/19 10:55 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> Saw your later response that the problem was solved but this is an >> interesting question that deserves an answer (and not just what

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-22 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On 2019-10-22 15:49, Fred Smith wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:36:54AM -0700, John Pierce wrote: The ip commands have been around since Centos 6 if not earlier. you can do things with them that you can't do with ifconfig, such as setup policy routing rule sets.. which makes them harder

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-22 Thread Fred Smith
On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:36:54AM -0700, John Pierce wrote: > The ip commands have been around since Centos 6 if not earlier. you can do > things with them that you can't do with ifconfig, such as setup policy > routing rule sets.. which makes them harder to learn... Unix philosophy: small

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Stephen John Smoogen said: > I think that the deprecation of ifconfig and route was started before > RHEL-7 came out.. and yet I just can't get used to them. I've started using "ip" for more things lately... partly because I'm lazy, and once I learned the commands can be

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-22 Thread John Pierce
The ip commands have been around since Centos 6 if not earlier. you can do things with them that you can't do with ifconfig, such as setup policy routing rule sets.. On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:27 AM Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 14:11, David G. Miller wrote: > > > >

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 14:11, David G. Miller wrote: > > On 10/22/19 10:55 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > Hello Experts! > > > > I'm sure many of you run CentOS for some time already. > > > > My question is: is there some place that lists which of the most often > > used sysadmin commands are gone

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-22 Thread David G. Miller
On 10/22/19 10:55 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: Hello Experts! I'm sure many of you run CentOS for some time already. My question is: is there some place that lists which of the most often used sysadmin commands are gone and what are replacements for them. Or what else one needs to do after

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-22 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On 2019-10-22 12:20, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 12:55, Valeri Galtsev wrote: Hello Experts! I'm sure many of you run CentOS for some time already. My question is: is there some place that lists which of the most often used sysadmin commands are gone and what are

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 12:55, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > Hello Experts! > > I'm sure many of you run CentOS for some time already. > > My question is: is there some place that lists which of the most often > used sysadmin commands are gone and what are replacements for them. Or > what else one

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-22 Thread Leon Fauster via CentOS
Am 22.10.19 um 18:55 schrieb Valeri Galtsev: ... Is there anything I can read so I can learn what differenmt to expect on CentOS 8 from, say, CentOS 7? https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html/considerations_in_adopting_rhel_8/index -- Leon

[CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-22 Thread Valeri Galtsev
Hello Experts! I'm sure many of you run CentOS for some time already. My question is: is there some place that lists which of the most often used sysadmin commands are gone and what are replacements for them. Or what else one needs to do after successful installation. (in the past it was