Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2011-03-12 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 3/2/11, Rudi Ahlers r...@softdux.com wrote: I'm very interested to find out what happened with this project and what you ended up doing? There were delays after changes after delays for that project that was meant to run on the VM setup. Spent more time hacking temporary solutions to their

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2011-03-01 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin centos.ad...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/29/10, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: raid1/iscsi if you have a single host accessing the data or gluster if you have more than one host accessing the data... This is starting to

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-30 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: Sounds exactly like the mentality in Hong Kong too. I mean, even the bigger companies with Asian managers have a similar mentality. The IT department is always the under-budgeted, under-manned and public

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-30 Thread Les Mikesell
Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: Sounds exactly like the mentality in Hong Kong too. I mean, even the bigger companies with Asian managers have a similar mentality. The IT department is always the

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-30 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/30/10, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: One thing you can do on the cheap is set up nightly backups with backuppc. It can run on a machine that does something else in the daytime if necessary and its pooling and compression scheme will store about 10x the history you would

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-30 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/30/2010 11:02 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 6/30/10, Les Mikeselllesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: One thing you can do on the cheap is set up nightly backups with backuppc. It can run on a machine that does something else in the daytime if necessary and its pooling and compression

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-29 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, June 29, 2010 01:23 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 6/29/10, Christopher Chanchristopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: The only problem is their HA is commercial only and costs more than the entire hardware budget I've got for this. Crucially, it relies on a failover/heartbeat kind

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-29 Thread John R Pierce
On 06/28/10 7:53 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: The only problem is their HA is commercial only and costs more than the entire hardware budget I've got for this. Crucially, it relies on a failover/heartbeat kind of arrangement. According to some sources, the failover delay of a few seconds will

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-29 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/29/10, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: raid1/iscsi if you have a single host accessing the data or gluster if you have more than one host accessing the data... This is starting to look really complicated with NCP Storage units on zfs - iscsi to gluster unit ext3

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-29 Thread Chan Chung Hang Christopher
Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 6/29/10, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: raid1/iscsi if you have a single host accessing the data or gluster if you have more than one host accessing the data... This is starting to look really complicated with NCP Storage units on zfs -

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-29 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/29/10, Chan Chung Hang Christopher christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: gluster don't care about underlying filesystem...it don't support acl yet for a reason Could you elaborate on that? Although at the moment I don't appear to have a need for ACL on the storage, it is always good to

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-29 Thread Chan Chung Hang Christopher
Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 6/29/10, Chan Chung Hang Christopher christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: gluster don't care about underlying filesystem...it don't support acl yet for a reason Could you elaborate on that? Although at the moment I don't appear to have a need for ACL on the

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-29 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/29/10, Chan Chung Hang Christopher christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: Define cheap. Like these...er...hmm...creative chums here? http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/ Or how about 7850USD for a 4U, 36 bay ( loaded with 12 x 1TB

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-29 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:25 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 6/29/10, Chan Chung Hang Christopher christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: Define cheap. Like these...er...hmm...creative chums here?

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-29 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/30/10, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: So cut appropriate corners to fit. Just not like Backblaze. Their's is decidedly crap hobbled together. With the kind of budget I have to work with, things are already looking very rounded already. I'm just thankful they

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-29 Thread Drew
D-Link? :-D. I had to get D-Links when money was a bit tighter but now I have HP Procurve 9210al switches. /me stomps on Cisco crap. D-Link had always been decent to me so that's what I usually go for if available. I've heard people mentioned the HP ProCurves for many years as really good

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-29 Thread Christopher Chan
On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:53 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 6/30/10, Christopher Chanchristopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: So cut appropriate corners to fit. Just not like Backblaze. Their's is decidedly crap hobbled together. With the kind of budget I have to work with, things are

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-29 Thread Christopher Chan
On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:43 AM, Drew wrote: D-Link? :-D. I had to get D-Links when money was a bit tighter but now I have HP Procurve 9210al switches. /me stomps on Cisco crap. D-Link had always been decent to me so that's what I usually go for if available. I've heard people

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-29 Thread Drew
Barring that I've had good luck with Linksys over the years. We just recently installed a 48port gigabit switch in the office that set us back around $900. Equivalent Procurve was priced at around $3000. ??? For $3000 I can get PoE+, 48 port gigabit + two expansion slots (empty), vlan,

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-29 Thread Christopher Chan
On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 01:14 PM, Drew wrote: Barring that I've had good luck with Linksys over the years. We just recently installed a 48port gigabit switch in the office that set us back around $900. Equivalent Procurve was priced at around $3000. ??? For $3000 I can get PoE+, 48

[CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
Has anybody tried or knows if it is possible to create a MD RAID1 device using networked iSCSI devices like those created using OpenFiler? The idea I'm thinking of here is to use two OpenFiler servers with physical drives in RAID 1, to create iSCSI virtual devices and run CentOS guest VMs off the

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 28/06/2010 20:13, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: Has anybody tried or knows if it is possible to create a MD RAID1 device using networked iSCSI devices like those created using OpenFiler? I dont use openfiler, but I run a mdraid-10 ( which isnt raid10 ), off locally mounted, remote storage

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/29/10, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: On 28/06/2010 20:13, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: Has anybody tried or knows if it is possible to create a MD RAID1 device using networked iSCSI devices like those created using OpenFiler? I dont use openfiler, but I run a mdraid-10 ( which

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 28/06/2010 20:31, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: I haven't tried it yet, still researching on which way to go (looked into Lustre, then glusterFS, then now this). Coincidentally, I just Not sure what you are trying to do here. Lustre, glusterfs, gfs etc solve a different problem than imported

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Athmane Madjoudj
I dont see why not. But you dont dont need openfilter to give you iscsi capability. CentOS-5.1+ has had the ability to export an iscsi target itself with all the tooling built in. AFAIK, Openfiler is CentOS/rPath and has Web-based administration tool, this why some people use it. --

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/28/2010 2:50 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 28/06/2010 20:31, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: I haven't tried it yet, still researching on which way to go (looked into Lustre, then glusterFS, then now this). Coincidentally, I just Not sure what you are trying to do here. Lustre, glusterfs, gfs

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 28/06/2010 20:55, Les Mikesell wrote: I think he is looking for redundant, failover remote storage (i.e. mirrored copies from different iscsi hosts). Sort of like DRBD but with both copies remote. I think is should work but the timing might be tricky on retries vs. failure on the iscsi

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/29/10, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: On 28/06/2010 20:31, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: I haven't tried it yet, still researching on which way to go (looked into Lustre, then glusterFS, then now this). Coincidentally, I just Not sure what you are trying to do here. Lustre,

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/29/10, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: On 28/06/2010 20:55, Les Mikesell wrote: I think he is looking for redundant, failover remote storage (i.e. mirrored copies from different iscsi hosts). Sort of like DRBD but with both copies remote. I think is should work but the timing

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 28/06/2010 21:30, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: Part of my concern with such a setup is the whole data system goes down too if the storage box dies due to say blown PSU or motherboard problem. Doesn't it? Depends on how you set it up, if you have 2 machines ( disk nodes ), exporting iscsi. 1

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread John R Pierce
On 06/28/10 12:13 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: Has anybody tried or knows if it is possible to create a MD RAID1 device using networked iSCSI devices like those created using OpenFiler? The idea I'm thinking of here is to use two OpenFiler servers with physical drives in RAID 1, to create

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/29/10, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: Depends on how you set it up, if you have 2 machines ( disk nodes ), exporting iscsi. 1 machine ( data node ) doing the import and sets up a raid1; you can afford to have one of those two machines down. You *cant* afford to have the

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/28/2010 3:25 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: I dont see why not. But you dont dont need openfilter to give you iscsi capability. CentOS-5.1+ has had the ability to export an iscsi target itself with all the tooling built in. I'm not sure yet since openFiler seems to provide a few more

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/29/10, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: If you are looking at openfiler, you might also want to consider nexentastor. Their community edition is free for up to 12TB of storage. It's an OpenSolaris/ZFS based system with web management, able to export cifs/nfs/ftp/sftp/iscsi

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:53 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 6/29/10, Les Mikeselllesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: If you are looking at openfiler, you might also want to consider nexentastor. Their community edition is free for up to 12TB of storage. It's an OpenSolaris/ZFS based system

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, June 29, 2010 04:53 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 6/29/10, Karanbir Singhmail-li...@karan.org wrote: Depends on how you set it up, if you have 2 machines ( disk nodes ), exporting iscsi. 1 machine ( data node ) doing the import and sets up a raid1; you can afford to have one of

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/29/10, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: The only problem is their HA is commercial only and costs more than the entire hardware budget I've got for this. Crucially, it relies on a failover/heartbeat kind of arrangement. According to some sources, the failover delay

Re: [CentOS] CentOS MD RAID 1 on Openfiler iSCSI

2010-06-28 Thread Les Mikesell
Christopher Chan wrote: On Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:53 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 6/29/10, Les Mikeselllesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: If you are looking at openfiler, you might also want to consider nexentastor. Their community edition is free for up to 12TB of storage. It's an