Re: [CentOS] CentOS and typical usage

2015-12-21 Thread Timothy Murphy
Alice Wonder wrote: > As far as customizing CentOS / Fedora for server vs desktop vs laptop vs > whatever, to me that is a moot issue. > In the server environment you almost certainly are using a virtual > machine, and to use a virtual machine you create an image. What precisely do you mean by

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and typical usage

2015-12-14 Thread m . roth
Jonathan Billings wrote: > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 04:39:05PM +, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> Alice Wonder wrote: >> > Just that it is not >> > difficult to use, there are some advantages - >> >> Why don't you say what the advantages are, >> instead of launching into a philosophical discussion of "

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and typical usage

2015-12-14 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 04:39:05PM +, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Alice Wonder wrote: > > Just that it is not > > difficult to use, there are some advantages - > > Why don't you say what the advantages are, > instead of launching into a philosophical discussion of "market share". So, while the p

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and typical usage

2015-12-13 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Sun, December 13, 2015 3:19 pm, Alice Wonder wrote: > > > On 12/13/2015 12:45 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> On Sun, December 13, 2015 11:36 am, Alice Wonder wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 12/13/2015 08:39 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Alice Wonder wrote: > One of the benefits of systemd is the depen

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and typical usage

2015-12-13 Thread Alice Wonder
On 12/13/2015 12:45 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: On Sun, December 13, 2015 11:36 am, Alice Wonder wrote: On 12/13/2015 08:39 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Alice Wonder wrote: One of the benefits of systemd is the dependency based parallel startup. The same speed can often be achieved with syste

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and typical usage

2015-12-13 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Sun, December 13, 2015 11:36 am, Alice Wonder wrote: > > > On 12/13/2015 08:39 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> Alice Wonder wrote: >>> One of the benefits of systemd is the dependency based parallel startup. >>> The same speed can often be achieved with system V init by fine tuning when the service

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and typical usage

2015-12-13 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/12/2015 08:03 AM, Alice Wonder wrote: > I share some of the frustration with Fedora developers "not listening" > but I don't share all of the frustration. > > As far as customizing CentOS / Fedora for server vs desktop vs laptop vs > whatever, to me that is a moot issue. > > In the server e

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and typical usage

2015-12-13 Thread Alice Wonder
On 12/13/2015 08:39 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Alice Wonder wrote: One of the benefits of systemd is the dependency based parallel startup. The same speed can often be achieved with system V init by fine tuning when the services start but systemd does that automatically. If it's no faster th

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and typical usage

2015-12-13 Thread Timothy Murphy
Alice Wonder wrote: > I mean the typical server and indicated a server environment opposed to > a home environment. To me, a server is a computer providing a service to other computers or electronic devices. It may be on a space-station, or it may be in someone's home - its whereabouts, or "envir

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and typical usage

2015-12-13 Thread Timothy Murphy
Alice Wonder wrote: > One of the benefits of systemd is the dependency based parallel startup. > The same speed can often be achieved with system V init by fine tuning > when the services start but systemd does that automatically. If it's no faster then why is it a benefit? > Just that it is not

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and typical usage

2015-12-13 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Sun, December 13, 2015 8:51 am, Alice Wonder wrote: > > > On 12/13/2015 04:19 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> Alice Wonder wrote: >> >>> In the server environment you almost certainly are using a virtual >>> machine, and to use a virtual machine you create an image. Set up the >>> image how you wa

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and typical usage

2015-12-13 Thread Alice Wonder
On 12/13/2015 04:19 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Alice Wonder wrote: In the server environment you almost certainly are using a virtual machine, and to use a virtual machine you create an image. Set up the image how you want and be done with it, you can then deploy it thousands of times and it i

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and typical usage

2015-12-13 Thread Timothy Murphy
Alice Wonder wrote: > In the server environment you almost certainly are using a virtual > machine, and to use a virtual machine you create an image. Set up the > image how you want and be done with it, you can then deploy it thousands > of times and it is set up the way you need it. Who is "you"

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and typical usage

2015-12-12 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 12, 2015, at 7:03 AM, Alice Wonder wrote: > > In the server environment you almost certainly are using a virtual machine I think you’re committing the same kind of error here that Fedora is: assuming your “typical” use case is typical of the wider world. We do use a lot of VMs here, but

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and typical usage

2015-12-12 Thread Johan Vermeulen
Op 12-dec.-2015 15:03 schreef Alice Wonder : > > I share some of the frustration with Fedora developers "not listening" > but I don't share all of the frustration. > > As far as customizing CentOS / Fedora for server vs desktop vs laptop vs > whatever, to me that is a moot issue. > > In the se

[CentOS] CentOS and typical usage

2015-12-12 Thread Alice Wonder
I share some of the frustration with Fedora developers "not listening" but I don't share all of the frustration. As far as customizing CentOS / Fedora for server vs desktop vs laptop vs whatever, to me that is a moot issue. In the server environment you almost certainly are using a virtual m