Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Christopher Chan wrote: Now I have to hop over to the Asterisk list to figure why with one firewall the INVITE properly redirects the RTP to the RTP server, and the with the other firewall this is not in the INVITE so the RTP flow does not. ARGH! I hope you are not trying to get

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Toby Bluhm wrote: Robert Moskowitz wrote: qsm wrote: maybe shorewall can do your live so easy. It does not support the rtl8150 chipset. That is what the I have in the way of USB ethernet dongles. Which is another reason to go with a Centos based solution when you need to put

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-04 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Message ---* From: Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:03:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration Christopher Chan wrote: I tried it. I had everything open. Then I blocked everything. Then I set up a rule

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-04 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Marko A. Jennings wrote: On Thu, January 3, 2008 8:18 am, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Steven Haigh wrote: On 03/01/2008, at 3:34 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Christopher Chan wrote: I spent much of the past 24 hours trying to find out how to set up iptables for firewall

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-04 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Christopher Chan wrote: ip src/dest is used for routing decisions by the kernel. The IP state machine (check the RFC or any decent TCP/IP textbook) is really quite simple. But iptables sticks its nose into the center of that state machine and can mangle addresses to change how packets flow

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-04 Thread Christopher Chan
Over at the IEEE 802, we are voting ballots on wording that can be interpreted on way with the Webster dictionary and another with the Oxford dictionary. So I am right about iptables controlling routing and you are right about iptables NOT controlling routing, only influencing it. What does

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-04 Thread Toby Bluhm
Robert Moskowitz wrote: qsm wrote: maybe shorewall can do your live so easy. It does not support the rtl8150 chipset. That is what the I have in the way of USB ethernet dongles. Which is another reason to go with a Centos based solution when you need to put something up as you go.

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-03 Thread Fajar Priyanto
On Thursday 03 January 2008 12:37:56 Christopher Chan wrote: Too bad you missed the documentation on netfilter then. It would have told you that the INPUT chain controls what comes to the box, the OUTPUT chain what originates from the box and the FORWARD chain what goes through the box. You

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-03 Thread Steven Haigh
On 03/01/2008, at 3:34 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Christopher Chan wrote: I spent much of the past 24 hours trying to find out how to set up iptables for firewall routing WITHOUT NATing. Could not find anything. Eh? You just need to enable ip forwarding to enable routing. After

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-03 Thread qsm
maybe shorewall can do your live so easy. -- -- Original Message --- From: Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:03:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration Christopher Chan

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-03 Thread Marko A. Jennings
On Thu, January 3, 2008 8:18 am, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Steven Haigh wrote: On 03/01/2008, at 3:34 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Christopher Chan wrote: I spent much of the past 24 hours trying to find out how to set up iptables for firewall routing WITHOUT NATing. Could not find anything.

RE: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-03 Thread Dennis McLeod
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marko A. Jennings Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:29 AM To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration On Thu, January 3, 2008 8:18 am, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Steven Haigh

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-03 Thread Christopher Chan
ip src/dest is used for routing decisions by the kernel. The IP state machine (check the RFC or any decent TCP/IP textbook) is really quite simple. But iptables sticks its nose into the center of that state machine and can mangle addresses to change how packets flow through the machine, or

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-02 Thread Christopher Chan
I spent much of the past 24 hours trying to find out how to set up iptables for firewall routing WITHOUT NATing. Could not find anything. Eh? You just need to enable ip forwarding to enable routing. After that, it is put up the firewall rules as is necessary, build the appropriate routing

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-02 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Christopher Chan wrote: I spent much of the past 24 hours trying to find out how to set up iptables for firewall routing WITHOUT NATing. Could not find anything. Eh? You just need to enable ip forwarding to enable routing. After that, it is put up the firewall rules as is necessary, build

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-02 Thread Christopher Chan
I tried it. I had everything open. Then I blocked everything. Then I set up a rule to allow SSH in to eth0 and out eth1 (and the other way). At least I thought that was what the rules said, but no SSH connectivity through the firewall. That was when I realized that I had not found the

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-01 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Mark Weaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:21:34 -0500 Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William L. Maltby wrote: On Mon, 2007-12-31 at 09:33 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Peter Farrell wrote: Problem

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-01 Thread Scott Ehrlich
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Mark Weaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:21:34 -0500 Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William L. Maltby wrote: On Mon, 2007-12-31 at 09:33 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Peter Farrell

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-01 Thread Mark Weaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:57:22 -0500 Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you ever thought about how rare floppy drives are now? At best you go with a bootable usb, if your notebook supports bootable USB. My Libretto does have a bootable

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-01 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Mark Weaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:57:22 -0500 Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you ever thought about how rare floppy drives are now? At best you go with a bootable usb, if your notebook supports bootable USB. My Libretto

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-01 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Firewall is up and running. Used Shorewall with Webmin. Les Bell wrote: Robert Spangler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While IPTABLES might be CHEAP (price) it is a very good firewall. Learn to set it up from the command line, it isn't that hard. Amen. I've been using CentOS for firewalls

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-01 Thread Steven Haigh
On 02/01/2008, at 4:11 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I spent much of the past 24 hours trying to find out how to set up iptables for firewall routing WITHOUT NATing. Could not find anything. *boggle* Is it really that hard? ## Clear up whatever is in there at the moment. iptables -F INPUT

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-01 Thread jarmo
Steven Haigh kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika tiistai, 1. tammikuuta 2008 20:23): On 02/01/2008, at 4:11 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I spent much of the past 24 hours trying to find out how to set up iptables for firewall routing WITHOUT NATing. Could not find anything. There you go.

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2008-01-01 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Thanks I will read this through a bit later. Perhaps I was making more of it than needed, but my attempts were not working. And all I was trying for at first was to allow SSH through. Steven Haigh wrote: On 02/01/2008, at 4:11 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I spent much of the past 24 hours

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread Peter Farrell
Problem is I want a REAL router/firewall with little work. Run a smoothwall installtion and replace your CentOS install. http://www.smoothwall.org/ -Peter On 31/12/2007, Matt Shields [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 31, 2007 12:13 AM, Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well FWbuilder

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Matt Shields wrote: On Dec 31, 2007 12:13 AM, Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well FWbuilder is NOT easy. The documentation does not match the current GUI. Now the box is locked up. I will have to pull it again, hook it up to a kybd/VGA and reset iptables Maybe Shoreline

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Peter Farrell wrote: Problem is I want a REAL router/firewall with little work. Run a smoothwall installtion and replace your CentOS install. http://www.smoothwall.org/ well first challenge is my unit's USB ethernet dongles. Centos uses the RTL 8150 driver for them. Smoothwall only lists

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread Robert Slade
Robert Moskowitz wrote: Peter Farrell wrote: Problem is I want a REAL router/firewall with little work. Run a smoothwall installtion and replace your CentOS install. http://www.smoothwall.org/ well first challenge is my unit's USB ethernet dongles. Centos uses the RTL 8150 driver for

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread William L. Maltby
On Mon, 2007-12-31 at 09:33 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Peter Farrell wrote: Problem is I want a REAL router/firewall with little work. Run a smoothwall installtion and replace your CentOS install. http://www.smoothwall.org/ well first challenge is my unit's USB ethernet

RE: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread Dennis McLeod
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Moskowitz Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:13 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: [CentOS] Firewall frustration Well FWbuilder is NOT easy. The documentation does not match the current

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread Robert Spangler
On Mon December 31 2007 07:58, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Full discloser time. My day job is with ICSAlabs. My area is security protocols research (like setttin up the initial IPsec certification criteria), but when I visit the labs there are all those firewall products up and running

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread John R Pierce
Robert Spangler wrote: While IPTABLES might be CHEAP (price) it is a very good firewall. Learn to set it up from the command line, it isn't that hard. Try the following to learn it; http://iptables.rlworkman.net/chunkyhtml/index.html Forget those GUI interfaces. one thing that bugs me

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread Robert Moskowitz
William L. Maltby wrote: On Mon, 2007-12-31 at 09:33 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Peter Farrell wrote: Problem is I want a REAL router/firewall with little work. Run a smoothwall installtion and replace your CentOS install. http://www.smoothwall.org/ well first challenge

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Dennis McLeod wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Moskowitz Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:13 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: [CentOS] Firewall frustration Well FWbuilder is NOT easy. The documentation does not match

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Robert Spangler wrote: On Mon December 31 2007 07:58, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Full discloser time. My day job is with ICSAlabs. My area is security protocols research (like setttin up the initial IPsec certification criteria), but when I visit the labs there are all those firewall

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread Matt Shields
On Dec 31, 2007 7:58 AM, Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Shields wrote: On Dec 31, 2007 12:13 AM, Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well FWbuilder is NOT easy. The documentation does not match the current GUI. Now the box is locked up. I will have to pull it

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Matt Shields wrote: On Dec 31, 2007 7:58 AM, Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Shields wrote: On Dec 31, 2007 12:13 AM, Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well FWbuilder is NOT easy. The documentation does not match the current GUI. Now the box is locked

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread Les Bell
Robert Spangler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While IPTABLES might be CHEAP (price) it is a very good firewall. Learn to set it up from the command line, it isn't that hard. Amen. I've been using CentOS for firewalls here for a long time now, with hand-written rules. Besides, generic firewall

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread Mark Weaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:21:34 -0500 Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William L. Maltby wrote: On Mon, 2007-12-31 at 09:33 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Peter Farrell wrote: Problem is I want a REAL router/firewall with

RE: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread Mark A. Lewis
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Weaver Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:09 PM To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:21:34 -0500 Robert

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-31 Thread Mark Weaver
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:21:34 -0500 Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William L. Maltby wrote: On Mon, 2007-12-31 at 09:33 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Peter Farrell wrote

[CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-30 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Well FWbuilder is NOT easy. The documentation does not match the current GUI. Now the box is locked up. I will have to pull it again, hook it up to a kybd/VGA and reset iptables Maybe Shoreline with webmin Problem is I want a REAL router/firewall with little work. Both public and

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-30 Thread centos
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:13:22 -0500 Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well FWbuilder is NOT easy. The documentation does not match Take a look at FireStarter: http://www.fs-security.com/ It very easy to set and use. It's only a front-end for iptables. But watch out, it has it's

Re: [CentOS] Firewall frustration

2007-12-30 Thread Matt Shields
On Dec 31, 2007 12:13 AM, Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well FWbuilder is NOT easy. The documentation does not match the current GUI. Now the box is locked up. I will have to pull it again, hook it up to a kybd/VGA and reset iptables Maybe Shoreline with webmin