Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-10 Thread Jed Reynolds
Les Mikesell wrote: But, I think the OP's real problem is that everything is tied to one single large drive (i.e. the software mirroring is mostly irrelevant as ... I think that Les makes a good point, and I'd like to push the point even more generally: providing network file storage, via SAN

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-08 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gordon McLellan wrote: >> >> Les, >> >> That's pretty much my problem. I was hoping to kill two birds with >> one stone here. First order of business is to replace the single >> drive with a raid array. Second order was to

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread John R Pierce
Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: While SATA and SAS are *supposed* to be able to be mixed freely, my vendor has warned me that it doesn't always work out that well. They have seen compatibility issues using SATA drives on SAS controllers. So for applications where you want/need a SAS controller but

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 at 4:22pm, nate wrote Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: While SATA and SAS are *supposed* to be able to be mixed freely, my vendor has warned me that it doesn't always work out that well. They have seen compatibility issues using SATA drives on SAS controllers. So for application

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread nate
thad wrote: > HP-EVA controller runs on WIN2K, and you have all the inherent problems of > why we are staying away from winbloze... ssu scripting is a pain in the > neck On the topic of enterprise storage arrays I'm pretty excited today I'm having a 150TB 3PAR T400 virtualized storage array bein

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread nate
Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: > While SATA and SAS are *supposed* to be able to be mixed freely, my vendor > has warned me that it doesn't always work out that well. They have seen > compatibility issues using SATA drives on SAS controllers. So for > applications where you want/need a SAS controlle

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread thad
> > > > If you have a "real" SAN (HP EVA), you can buy block-level > replication-software for that. > But the software is not exactly cheap (six-figure-sum budget expected). > What does downtime cost for you? HP-EVA controller runs on WIN2K, and you have all the inherent problems of why we are s

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Rainer Duffner
Am 07.11.2008 um 23:35 schrieb nate: Gordon McLellan wrote: I guess I'm saying, if you interpret the name "Serial Attached Scsi" literally, then the Seagate ES.2 is not an SAS drive - it is not a scsi drive with a serial interface. However, if you interpret SAS as an interface standard, then

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:46:36PM -0500, Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: > On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 at 2:35pm, nate wrote > >> Gordon McLellan wrote: >> >>> I guess I'm saying, if you interpret the name "Serial Attached Scsi" >>> literally, then the Seagate ES.2 is not an SAS drive - it is not a >>> scsi dri

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 at 2:35pm, nate wrote Gordon McLellan wrote: I guess I'm saying, if you interpret the name "Serial Attached Scsi" literally, then the Seagate ES.2 is not an SAS drive - it is not a scsi drive with a serial interface. However, if you interpret SAS as an interface standard, t

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread nate
Gordon McLellan wrote: > I guess I'm saying, if you interpret the name "Serial Attached Scsi" > literally, then the Seagate ES.2 is not an SAS drive - it is not a > scsi drive with a serial interface. However, if you interpret SAS as > an interface standard, then the interface board determines wh

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread nate
Rudi Ahlers wrote: >> http://www.openfiler.com/products >> >> For me I would just buy a real storage array, better reliability >> generally. Though entry level pricing is around $20k. > 2x machines to give a network RAID setup. What would you recommend > using? The idea is to serve to servers whic

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Les Mikesell
Gordon McLellan wrote: Les, That's pretty much my problem. I was hoping to kill two birds with one stone here. First order of business is to replace the single drive with a raid array. Second order was to replace a single iscsi server with duo of machines. If one machine had some sort of non

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread John R Pierce
Jerry Franz wrote: Indeed. They're not SAS either. From the manufacturer's page: "Barracuda ES.2 SAS 3.0-Gb/s 1-TB Hard Drive" Sure sounds like SAS to me. What leads you to believe they are not being truthful? its a typo on that page, probably. http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Gordon McLellan
Reading the datasheet, my interpretation is Seagate has taken a ide drive chassis (7200rpm, PMR, slow seek times, etc) and added a SAS interface board. They mention the sas version offers improved performance over the sata version, and also the sas version supports a dual-port interface. Other mo

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Rainer Duffner
Gordon McLellan schrieb: > Les, > > That's pretty much my problem. I was hoping to kill two birds with > one stone here. First order of business is to replace the single > drive with a raid array. Second order was to replace a single iscsi > server with duo of machines. If one machine had some

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Gordon McLellan
Les, That's pretty much my problem. I was hoping to kill two birds with one stone here. First order of business is to replace the single drive with a raid array. Second order was to replace a single iscsi server with duo of machines. If one machine had some sort of non-recoverable problem, the

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Jerry Franz
Steve Thompson wrote: On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Gordon McLellan wrote: I meant SAS; specifically Seagate Barracuda ES.2 drives. Here's a tiny version of their huge url: http://tiny.cc/3X9fI No, they are not the super fast and expensive 15krpm database drives. Indeed. They're not SAS either. Fro

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Steve Thompson
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Gordon McLellan wrote: I meant SAS; specifically Seagate Barracuda ES.2 drives. Here's a tiny version of their huge url: http://tiny.cc/3X9fI No, they are not the super fast and expensive 15krpm database drives. Indeed. They're not SAS either. Steve

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Les Mikesell
Ray Van Dolson wrote: On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:49:22AM -0500, Gordon McLellan wrote: Ray, I meant SAS; specifically Seagate Barracuda ES.2 drives. Here's a tiny version of their huge url: http://tiny.cc/3X9fI No, they are not the super fast and expensive 15krpm database drives. -Gordon

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Les Mikesell
Gordon McLellan wrote: Ray, I meant SAS; specifically Seagate Barracuda ES.2 drives. Here's a tiny version of their huge url: http://tiny.cc/3X9fI No, they are not the super fast and expensive 15krpm database drives. But, I think the OP's real problem is that everything is tied to one sin

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:49:22AM -0500, Gordon McLellan wrote: > Ray, > > I meant SAS; specifically Seagate Barracuda ES.2 drives. Here's a > tiny version of their huge url: > > http://tiny.cc/3X9fI > > No, they are not the super fast and expensive 15krpm database drives. > > -Gordon Ah. S

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Gordon McLellan
So the short answers are: 1) centos/redhat possess no built-in means of block-level replication via GFS / RHCS 2) openfiler provides some manor of block-level replication 3) there's "beta" software out there that can do it, but it might not be a good idea for production (drbd) Just for reference;

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Gordon McLellan
Ray, I meant SAS; specifically Seagate Barracuda ES.2 drives. Here's a tiny version of their huge url: http://tiny.cc/3X9fI No, they are not the super fast and expensive 15krpm database drives. -Gordon On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Ray Van Dolson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm guessing

RE: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Flaherty, Patrick
> >>> Hello List, > >>> > >>> Can anyone recommend some sites regarding building > high-availability > >>> storage networks using centos (or the upstream providers > brand name)? > >>> I need to have approx 2-3 tb of storage available via > iscsi and smb, > >>> but worry about having it all on a

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Rainer Duffner
Gordon McLellan schrieb: > So the short answers are: > > 1) centos/redhat possess no built-in means of block-level replication > via GFS / RHCS > 2) openfiler provides some manor of block-level replication > 3) there's "beta" software out there that can do it, but it might not > be a good idea for

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:18:02AM -0500, Gordon McLellan wrote: > So the short answers are: > > 1) centos/redhat possess no built-in means of block-level replication > via GFS / RHCS > 2) openfiler provides some manor of block-level replication > 3) there's "beta" software out there that can do i

RE: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Andrew Cotter
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rainer Duffner Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:34 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook? Rudi Ahlers schrieb: > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM, nate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-07 Thread Rainer Duffner
Rudi Ahlers schrieb: > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM, nate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Gordon McLellan wrote: >> >>> Hello List, >>> >>> Can anyone recommend some sites regarding building high-availability >>> storage networks using centos (or the upstream providers brand name)? >>> I

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-06 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM, nate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gordon McLellan wrote: >> Hello List, >> >> Can anyone recommend some sites regarding building high-availability >> storage networks using centos (or the upstream providers brand name)? >> I need to have approx 2-3 tb of storage avai

Re: [CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-06 Thread nate
Gordon McLellan wrote: > Hello List, > > Can anyone recommend some sites regarding building high-availability > storage networks using centos (or the upstream providers brand name)? > I need to have approx 2-3 tb of storage available via iscsi and smb, > but worry about having it all on a single se

[CentOS] HA Storage Cookbook?

2008-11-06 Thread Gordon McLellan
Hello List, Can anyone recommend some sites regarding building high-availability storage networks using centos (or the upstream providers brand name)? I need to have approx 2-3 tb of storage available via iscsi and smb, but worry about having it all on a single server. Most of the HA articles I'm