Re: [CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-03 Thread Les Mikesell
Michael A. Peters wrote: > >> I'd recommend looking at backuppc instead of amanda if you mostly want >> on-line storage. Its storage scheme will hold a much longer history in >> the same amount of space and it has a handy web interface for browsing >> and restores. > > I'd rather have somethi

Re: [CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-03 Thread Chan Chung Hang Christopher
>> See my reply to nate. If you are using boards with 12GB of cache, >> software raid is not even on the radar. >> > > True, but I feel an important point is being missed here. > > In order to avoid a lot of the random I/O file systems use page cache > to combine I/O operations and transact

Re: [CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-03 Thread Ross Walker
On Jun 2, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: > John R Pierce wrote: >> Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: >> I've read a lot of different reports that suggest at this point in time, kernel software raid is in most cases better than controller raid. >>> Let

Re: [CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-03 Thread Michael A. Peters
Les Mikesell wrote: > > I'd recommend looking at backuppc instead of amanda if you mostly want > on-line storage. Its storage scheme will hold a much longer history in > the same amount of space and it has a handy web interface for browsing > and restores. I'd rather have something that has

Re: [CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-03 Thread Les Mikesell
Michael A. Peters wrote: > > I guess from the discussion that hardware raid is definitely still the > way to go for servers, where the guy at the colo can simply swap out a > dead drive if need be w/o any serious downtime etc. On the flip side, you generally have to install some vendor-specific

Re: [CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-03 Thread Michael A. Peters
Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 06/01/2009 07:52 PM, Michael A. Peters wrote: >> I've read a lot of different reports that suggest at this point in time, >> kernel software raid is in most cases better than controller raid. > > There are certainly a lot of people who feel that way. It depends on > wh

Re: [CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-02 Thread Christopher Chan
John R Pierce wrote: > Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > >>> I've read a lot of different reports that suggest at this point in time, >>> kernel software raid is in most cases better than controller raid. >>> >>> >>> >> Let me define 'most cases' for you. Linux software raid c

Re: [CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-02 Thread Christopher Chan
nate wrote: > Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > >> Complete bollocks. The bottleneck is not the drives themselves as >> whether it is SATA/PATA disk drive performance has not changed much >> which is why 15k RPM disks are still king. The bottleneck is the bus be >> it PCI-X or PCIe 16x/8x/4x

Re: [CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-02 Thread nate
Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > Complete bollocks. The bottleneck is not the drives themselves as > whether it is SATA/PATA disk drive performance has not changed much > which is why 15k RPM disks are still king. The bottleneck is the bus be > it PCI-X or PCIe 16x/8x/4x or at least the latenci

Re: [CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-02 Thread John R Pierce
Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: >> I've read a lot of different reports that suggest at this point in time, >> kernel software raid is in most cases better than controller raid. >> >> > Let me define 'most cases' for you. Linux software raid can perform > better or the same if you are

Re: [CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-02 Thread Chan Chung Hang Christopher
> I've read a lot of different reports that suggest at this point in time, > kernel software raid is in most cases better than controller raid. > Let me define 'most cases' for you. Linux software raid can perform better or the same if you are using raid0/raid1/raid1+0 arrays. If you are usi

Re: [CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-02 Thread Ross Walker
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 06/01/2009 07:52 PM, Michael A. Peters wrote: >> >> I've read a lot of different reports that suggest at this point in time, >> kernel software raid is in most cases better than controller raid. > > There are certainly a lot of people who

Re: [CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-02 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/01/2009 07:52 PM, Michael A. Peters wrote: > > I've read a lot of different reports that suggest at this point in time, > kernel software raid is in most cases better than controller raid. There are certainly a lot of people who feel that way. It depends on what your priorities are. Hardw

Re: [CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-02 Thread Ross Walker
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Michael A. Peters wrote: > -=- starting as new thread as it is off topic from controller thread -=- > > Ross Walker wrote: > >  > >  > The real key is the controller though. Get one that can do hardware >  > RAID1/10, 5/50, 6/60, if it can do both SATA and SAS even

Re: [CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-02 Thread Chris Boyd
On Jun 1, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Michael A. Peters wrote: > I've read a lot of different reports that suggest at this point in > time, > kernel software raid is in most cases better than controller raid. I manage systems with both. I like hardware RAID controllers. Yes, they do cost money up fron

Re: [CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-01 Thread nate
Michael A. Peters wrote: > I'd be very interested in hearing opinions on this subject. I mainly like hardware raid (good hardware raid not hybrid software/hardware raid) because of the simplicity, the system can easily boot from it, in many cases drives are hot swappable and you don't have to to

[CentOS] Harware vs Kernel RAID (was Re: External SATA enclosures: SiI3124 and CentOS 5?)

2009-06-01 Thread Michael A. Peters
-=- starting as new thread as it is off topic from controller thread -=- Ross Walker wrote: > > The real key is the controller though. Get one that can do hardware > RAID1/10, 5/50, 6/60, if it can do both SATA and SAS even better and > get a battery backed write-back cache, the bigger the be