[CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-23 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
I was trying to do some performance testing between using iSCSI on the host as a diskfile to a guest vs the VM guest using the iSCSI device directly. However, in the process of trying to establish a baseline performance figure, I started increasing the MTU settings on the PCI-express NICs with RTL

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-23 Thread Digimer
On 06/23/2011 01:28 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > - Original Message - >> I was trying to do some performance testing between using iSCSI on the >> host as a diskfile to a guest vs the VM guest using the iSCSI device >> directly. >> >> However, in the process of trying to establish a baseline per

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-23 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/24/11, Tim Nelson wrote: > Realtek NICs are known to be some of the poorest interfaces available. A > quality Intel or Broadcom NIC will set you back very little in terms of > cost. Just replace it and be done. :) I was afraid that might be the case (already had two Intel NICs in the shoppin

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-23 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: > Does anybody know of a proven solution or is the Realtek chip itself > irrevocably broken/bugged that anything above the default 1500 will > simply not work? > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-23 Thread Tim Nelson
- Original Message - > I was trying to do some performance testing between using iSCSI on the > host as a diskfile to a guest vs the VM guest using the iSCSI device > directly. > > However, in the process of trying to establish a baseline performance > figure, I started increasing the MTU

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-23 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Tim Nelson wrote: > - Original Message - >> I was trying to do some performance testing between using iSCSI on the >> host as a diskfile to a guest vs the VM guest using the iSCSI device >> directly. >> >> However, in the process of trying to establish a baseline performance >> figure, I st

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-23 Thread Tim Nelson
- Original Message - > I can not say I had any problems with Realtek NIC's. I operate a small > WISP and I am active in StarOS wireless network reouter community. > Most > of us there agree that when you have problems with NICS like 3Com or > even Intel, you can always use Realtek NIC's for

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-23 Thread Christopher Chan
On Friday, June 24, 2011 01:20 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: > First bottleneck was discovering the max MTU allowed on these is 7K > instead of 9K but googling seems to indicate that the RTL8168B is only > capable of 4K frames. Yeah, the 8168C goes up to 7k. Some 8168B go up to 6k. > > I assumed

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-23 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/24/11, Christopher Chan wrote: > On Friday, June 24, 2011 01:20 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: >> First bottleneck was discovering the max MTU allowed on these is 7K >> instead of 9K but googling seems to indicate that the RTL8168B is only >> capable of 4K frames. > > Yeah, the 8168C goes up t

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-24 Thread Christopher Chan
On Friday, June 24, 2011 02:33 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: > On 6/24/11, Christopher Chan wrote: >> On Friday, June 24, 2011 01:20 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: >>> First bottleneck was discovering the max MTU allowed on these is 7K >>> instead of 9K but googling seems to indicate that the RTL81

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-24 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Christopher Chan wrote: > On Friday, June 24, 2011 02:33 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: >> On 6/24/11, Christopher Chan wrote: >>> On Friday, June 24, 2011 01:20 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: First bottleneck was discovering the max MTU allowed on these is 7K instead of 9K but googling se

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-24 Thread Christopher Chan
On Friday, June 24, 2011 05:06 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > Christopher Chan wrote: >> On Friday, June 24, 2011 02:33 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: >>> On 6/24/11, Christopher Chan wrote: On Friday, June 24, 2011 01:20 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: > First bottleneck was discovering

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-24 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/24/11, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > Try ElRepo driver and please report if that helps. I would like to know > your experience with ElRepo driver. The ElRepo driver appears to work, I don't get an error when increasing the MTU but I'll need to solve another problem before I can really test a

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/23/2011 10:20 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: > I assumed 4K would still be better than nothing but unfortunately > bumping up the MTU to anything else but 1.5K caused the file transfers > (using NFS for easy testing), to hang at random points or more > accurate slow to a crawl. I don't know a

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-25 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/26/11, Gordon Messmer wrote: > I don't know anything specifically about those cards, but you'll see > that behavior on any card unless all of the hosts on a broadcast domain > are using the same MTU. You need to set all of the devices on a LAN > segment, including the router, to the same MT

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-25 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: > Ironically, even at 1500MTU, I was able to hit the full 100+ MB/s > speed available on a single Gigabit link so it seems my experiment was > a bit futile. > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.or

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/25/2011 12:05 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: > > Default Driver -> ElRepo driver > 1500 MTU -> 3000 MTU = OK That's not going to be reliable. Sooner or later, you'll see the mount hang (any transfer may) if your MTUs don't match. ___ CentOS mail

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-25 Thread Ross Walker
On Jun 25, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: > Ironically, even at 1500MTU, I was able to hit the full 100+ MB/s > speed available on a single Gigabit link so it seems my experiment was > a bit futile. Jumbo frames don't give higher throughput, but lower CPU. I find standard frames gi

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-25 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/26/11, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 06/25/2011 12:05 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: >> >> Default Driver -> ElRepo driver >> 1500 MTU -> 3000 MTU = OK > > That's not going to be reliable. Sooner or later, you'll see the mount > hang (any transfer may) if your MTUs don't match. Thanks for the

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-25 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/26/11, Ross Walker wrote: > Jumbo frames don't give higher throughput, but lower CPU. > > I find standard frames give better throughput for 4K block sizes like one > typically finds with file systems. > > You really don't need to go to jumbo frames until you reach 10Gbps speed. This was pre

Re: [CentOS] Jumbo frames problem with Realtek NICs?

2011-06-26 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: > Now the question is whether the overheads reduction, even at sub-10GBs > speeds, may be significant if the host/guest are VMs instead of actual > physical machines. If you are going to use it on virtual interfaces, I would think it would help, especially if you have