On 04/24/2017 11:52 AM, Warren Young wrote:
On Apr 24, 2017, at 7:53 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
James' point isn't the hardware cost, it's the people cost for retraining.
Unless you’ve hired monkeys so that you must train them to do their tasks by
rote, that is a soft cost, not a hard cost.
Doll
On Mon, April 24, 2017 10:52 am, Warren Young wrote:
> On Apr 24, 2017, at 7:53 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
>> James' point isn't the hardware cost, it's the people cost for
>> retraining.
>
> Unless youâve hired monkeys so that you must train them to do their
tasks by rote, that is a soft cost, not a
On Apr 24, 2017, at 7:53 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
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> James' point isn't the hardware cost, it's the people cost for retraining.
Unless you’ve hired monkeys so that you must train them to do their tasks by
rote, that is a soft cost, not a hard cost. If you’ve hired competent IT
staff, they will
On 04/20/2017 05:55 PM, Warren Young wrote:
... I find that most hardware is ready to fall over by the time the
CentOS that was installed on it drops out of support anyway.
...
James' point isn't the hardware cost, it's the people cost for
retraining. In many ways the Fedora treadmill is eas
On Apr 20, 2017, at 7:33 AM, James B. Byrne wrote:
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> When a vendor ... fundamentally changes the way the administration
> of an operating system is presented
I’ve gotten the sense from this other part of the thread that the answer to my
question, “What are you moving to?” is FreeBSD.
If you
On Apr 19, 2017, at 2:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
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> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 5:21 AM, James B. Byrne wrote:
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>> On Mon, April 17, 2017 17:13, Warren Young wrote:
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>>> Also, I’ll remind the list that one of the *prior* times the systemd
>>> topic came up, I was the one reminding people th
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 09:33:30AM -0400, James B. Byrne wrote:
> Red Hat, again in my sole opinion, increasingly appears to me to be
> emulating another company notorious for shuffling the user interface
> to little evident purpose other than profit. That is good business
> for them. It is not g
>
> Think about what that would take in terms of man hours to accomplish
> moving from EL6 to 7. And moving from 5 to 6 was not much better.
> This is just too expensive to repeat every three years.
So why do it? There is absolutely nothing wrong with sticking with EL6
for a long time, certain
On Wed, April 19, 2017 16:22, Chris Murphy wrote:
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> Apple has had massively disruptive changes on OS X and iOS. Windows
> has had a fairly disruptive set of changes in Windows 10. About the
> only things that don't change are industrial OS's.
>
I have no idea how this reference applies to my e
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 5:21 AM, James B. Byrne wrote:
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> On Mon, April 17, 2017 17:13, Warren Young wrote:
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>>
>> Also, I’ll remind the list that one of the *prior* times the systemd
>> topic came up, I was the one reminding people that most of our jobs
>> summarize as “Cope with change.â€
On Mon, April 17, 2017 17:13, Warren Young wrote:
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> Also, Iâll remind the list that one of the *prior* times the systemd
> topic came up, I was the one reminding people that most of our jobs
> summarize as âCope with change.â
>
At some point 'coping with change' is discovered to consume
On Apr 15, 2017, at 12:19 AM, Anthony K wrote:
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> Also, there's a lot of people moving to FreeBSD - but it appears that the
> grass isn't greener there either as they are now trialling OpenRC.
You appear to have misunderstood my post.
First, TrueOS is not FreeBSD. TrueOS is to FreeBSD as Ubu
On Sun, 2017-04-16 at 18:25 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> Yes. And despite what people think, those agencies don't have super
> powers. They have tools to help them, and lots of resources, but
> nothing out of the ordinary.
Untrue. They are in advance of mainstream developments. Spying has
existed
On 04/16/2017 03:53 AM, ken wrote:
And, yes, the exploits also include more than a few against linux. Go
to their site and look under vault7. Or search for "linux" or
"redhat"... you'll get hundreds of hits. Here's just one:
https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles4/documents/FinSpy-3.10-User-Manual.d
> Indeed. I think the assertion "OSS is somehow safer because of community
> audit" is a logical fallacy. How would one go about "auditing" in the first
> place?
There are tools to audit source code for problems - OSS is safer
*because* the source is available and can be audited.
> Even if the
On Sun, 2017-04-16 at 06:53 -0400, ken wrote:
> On 04/15/2017 04:46 AM, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > Not wishing to extend this thread further, but ...
> >
> > > There are conspiracy theories out there that the NSA is involved with
> > > bringing systemd to Linux so they can have easy access to *"unknown
On 04/16/2017 06:51 AM, Andrew Holway wrote:
There is no doubt that most security agencies have a long list of zero-
day exploits in their toolbox - I would hazard to suggest that they
wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't! But I seriously doubt they
would commission exploitable code in so
>
> There is no doubt that most security agencies have a long list of zero-
>> day exploits in their toolbox - I would hazard to suggest that they
>> wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't! But I seriously doubt they
>> would commission exploitable code in something that is openly
>> auditable.
On Apr 16, 2017, at 6:53 AM, ken wrote:
> Years ago it was revealed that one of the linux developers inserted an
> exploit into the gcc code which, when the login code was compiled, would give
> him access to any system running it, effectively every linux system. This
> exploit was in the linu
On 04/15/2017 04:46 AM, Pete Biggs wrote:
Not wishing to extend this thread further, but ...
There are conspiracy theories out there that the NSA is involved with
bringing systemd to Linux so they can have easy access to *"unknown"*
bugs - aka backdoors - to all Linux installations using system
Not wishing to extend this thread further, but ...
> There are conspiracy theories out there that the NSA is involved with
> bringing systemd to Linux so they can have easy access to *"unknown"*
> bugs - aka backdoors - to all Linux installations using systemd *[1]*.
They're conspiracy theori
On 09/04/17 14:39, Anthony K wrote:
So, at which stage are you in w/ regards to adopting systemd? Are you
still ridiculing it, violently opposed to it, or have you mellowed to it?
Thanks for all those that responded. systemd still appears to be a sore
topic.
systemd is still coping a whole
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