Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-26 Thread Michael Hennebry
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Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-26 Thread Greg Lindahl
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 04:42:49PM -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: > That is not a threat, it is a promise. I set the moderation bits on the > list. I get dozens of emails off list asking for people to moderated on > the flame fest emails. Johnny, Thank you for providing this service to the commun

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-26 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 10/26/2015 12:19 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Sat, 24 Oct 2015, Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> On 10/23/2015 03:44 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >>> What FUD? It adds *binary* logfiles, readable only with a separate >>> program; when I restart a service, it does not *tell* me what's going >>> on,

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-26 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 10/23/2015 03:44 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: What FUD? It adds *binary* logfiles, readable only with a separate program; when I restart a service, it does not *tell* me what's going on, just worked or didn't, so I don't know, if it fails, where, the

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-26 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Mon, October 26, 2015 11:11 am, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 10/24/2015 01:59 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> On Sat, October 24, 2015 12:23 pm, Keith Keller wrote: >>> On 2015-10-24, Johnny Hughes wrote: For the sake of everyone's sanity .. if you (any user, not mark specifically) don't want to

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-26 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 10/24/2015 01:59 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Sat, October 24, 2015 12:23 pm, Keith Keller wrote: >> On 2015-10-24, Johnny Hughes wrote: >>> >>> For the sake of everyone's sanity .. if you (any user, not mark >>> specifically) don't want to use systemd, then please don't use CentOS-7. >> >

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-24 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Sat, October 24, 2015 12:23 pm, Keith Keller wrote: > On 2015-10-24, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> >> For the sake of everyone's sanity .. if you (any user, not mark >> specifically) don't want to use systemd, then please don't use CentOS-7. > > For example, you could help out with Devuan, which aim

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-24 Thread Keith Keller
On 2015-10-24, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > For the sake of everyone's sanity .. if you (any user, not mark > specifically) don't want to use systemd, then please don't use CentOS-7. For example, you could help out with Devuan, which aims to remove systemd from Debian, or you can switch to Slackware,

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-24 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/24/2015 10:08 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: Was it? Many servers are deployed as standard images, both physical and virtual, and having a single, standard, cloned image boot easily on multiple types of hardware makes lots of sense in this environment. Dbus is about hardware enumeration, both

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-24 Thread Lamar Owen
On 10/23/2015 05:45 PM, Yamaban wrote: Well, looking back, during kernel 2.6 there was no systemd at all. But! That was the time where udev and dbus came into the boot cycle. ... What was the rationale to get udev into boot? -- Handling the ever changing mess of plugable, switchable hardware. Not

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-24 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 10/23/2015 03:44 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Jonathan Billings wrote: >> On Oct 23, 2015, at 9:46 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >>> James B. Byrne wrote: I am glad to discover that I am not losing my mind. I too have been rather dismayed at the perceived increase in frequency wit

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-23 Thread m . roth
Jonathan Billings wrote: > On Oct 23, 2015, at 9:46 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> James B. Byrne wrote: >>> >>> I am glad to discover that I am not losing my mind. I too have been >>> rather dismayed at the perceived increase in frequency with which I >>> must reboot my servers. I wondered wheth

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-23 Thread John R Pierce
On 10/23/2015 12:51 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote: No. If anything, systemd handles upgrades better than SysV init, since it handles re-execing better. Please stop spreading FUD. Most likely the glibc and openssl updates are what people are talking about. Doesn’t require a reboot, just resta

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-23 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Oct 23, 2015, at 9:46 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > James B. Byrne wrote: >> >> I am glad to discover that I am not losing my mind. I too have been >> rather dismayed at the perceived increase in frequency with which I >> must reboot my servers. I wondered whether this was simply a >> misconc

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-23 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Fri, October 23, 2015 9:40 am, John Hodrien wrote: > On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >> But coming back to negative part (which is about almost any Linux >> distribution). These often reboots started in my recollection around 2.6 >> kernel which is long ago. I always admire the "c

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-23 Thread John Hodrien
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Valeri Galtsev wrote: But coming back to negative part (which is about almost any Linux distribution). These often reboots started in my recollection around 2.6 kernel which is long ago. There's no way that needing a reboot is related to 2.6. Indeed newer features like ks

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-23 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Fri, October 23, 2015 8:46 am, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > James B. Byrne wrote: >> >> On Thu, October 22, 2015 17:25, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>> . . . Still, disregarding the part some of us dislike personally >>> (plus often reboots necessary to install some vital updates >>> - which all Linuxes

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-23 Thread m . roth
James B. Byrne wrote: > > On Thu, October 22, 2015 17:25, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> . . . Still, disregarding the part some of us dislike personally >> (plus often reboots necessary to install some vital updates >> - which all Linuxes are prone to beginning somewhere around >> 2.6 kernel) . . . > >

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-23 Thread James B. Byrne
On Thu, October 22, 2015 17:25, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > . . . Still, disregarding the part some of us dislike personally > (plus often reboots necessary to install some vital updates > - which all Linuxes are prone to beginning somewhere around > 2.6 kernel) . . . I am glad to discover that I am

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Thu, October 22, 2015 3:45 pm, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 10/22/2015 03:40 PM, Juan Bernhard wrote: >> >> El 22/10/2015 a las 03:00 p.m., Valeri Galtsev escribió: >>> >>> On Thu, October 22, 2015 12:49 pm, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 10/22/2015 11:50 AM, Juan Bernhard wrote: > > El 22/1

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread John R Pierce
On 10/22/2015 1:40 PM, Juan Bernhard wrote: Im not saying that they must remove this package, but they also should include the newer version. I use freebsd (and its not a toy distro like fedora), and you have several ports, php, php54, php55 and php56 to choose whatever you need. Please, dont

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 10/22/2015 03:40 PM, Juan Bernhard wrote: > > El 22/10/2015 a las 03:00 p.m., Valeri Galtsev escribió: >> >> On Thu, October 22, 2015 12:49 pm, Johnny Hughes wrote: >>> On 10/22/2015 11:50 AM, Juan Bernhard wrote: El 22/10/2015 a las 01:40 p.m., Nux! escribió: > Kai, > > I

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Juan Bernhard
quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: "Kai Schaetzl" To: centos@centos.org Sent: Thursday, 22 October, 2015 17:33:33 Subject: Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers Nux! wrote on Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:27:26 +0100 (BST): It'

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 01:20:02PM -0300, Juan Bernhard wrote: > If you want to change to a log term support, you should use php 5.6, this is > under active development now. > centos packagers mantainers should listen the PHP developers in this topic, > they are the ones who really knows PHP But y

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Valeri Galtsev
b of individuals at RH is paid for from). Let's not forget they as well as us have families to support. Valeri > >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! >>> >>> Nux! >>> www.nux.ro >>> >>> -

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Johnny Hughes
Delta quadrant using Borg technology! >> >> Nux! >> www.nux.ro >> >> - Original Message - >>> From: "Kai Schaetzl" >>> To: centos@centos.org >>> Sent: Thursday, 22 October, 2015 17:33:33 >>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] P

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 10/22/2015 12:40 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 10/22/2015 10:31 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So, it seems that the current version of PHP in Centos 7 is PHP 5.4.16 >> however this version of PHP stopped getting security support from the PHP >> people one month ago [1]. >> >> Now, our de

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 10/22/2015 10:31 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: > Hi, > > So, it seems that the current version of PHP in Centos 7 is PHP 5.4.16 > however this version of PHP stopped getting security support from the PHP > people one month ago [1]. > > Now, our developers want to use the new and shiny PHP because t

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Juan Bernhard
Juan -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: "Kai Schaetzl" To: centos@centos.org Sent: Thursday, 22 October, 2015 17:33:33 Subject: Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers Nux! wrote on Thu, 22 Oc

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Thu, October 22, 2015 11:20 am, Juan Bernhard wrote: > > El 22/10/2015 a las 12:48 p.m., Valeri Galtsev escribió: >> On Thu, October 22, 2015 10:40 am, Jim Perrin wrote: >>> On 10/22/2015 10:31 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: Hi, So, it seems that the current version of PHP in Centos 7 is PHP

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Nux!
ginal Message - > From: "Kai Schaetzl" > To: centos@centos.org > Sent: Thursday, 22 October, 2015 17:33:33 > Subject: Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers > Nux! wrote on Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:27:26 +0100 (BST): > >> It's irrelevant in thi

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Nux! wrote on Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:27:26 +0100 (BST): > It's irrelevant in this case that PHP 5.3 is EOL. It will continue > to be supported by Red Hat with security patches. Exactly. Nevertheless, PHP 5.6 is not "bleeding edge" as someone else said. 5.5 and 5.6 are really state of the art and of

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Kai Schaetzl
I've been using IUS in the past. They have a good way of naming their rpms, so they don't interfere with the RH rpms. But they don't support older CentOS versions still on extended support as long as I needed them. And they don't provide as much php-related rpms (f.i. pecl-stuff) as remi does.

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Nux!
Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - > From: "Juan Bernhard" > To: centos@centos.org > Sent: Thursday, 22 October, 2015 17:20:02 > Subject: Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers > El 22/10/2015 a las 12:48 p.m., Valeri Galtsev escribió: >

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Juan Bernhard
El 22/10/2015 a las 12:48 p.m., Valeri Galtsev escribió: On Thu, October 22, 2015 10:40 am, Jim Perrin wrote: On 10/22/2015 10:31 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: Hi, So, it seems that the current version of PHP in Centos 7 is PHP 5.4.16 however this version of PHP stopped getting security support

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread m . roth
Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Thu, October 22, 2015 10:40 am, Jim Perrin wrote: >> On 10/22/2015 10:31 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: >>> >>> So, it seems that the current version of PHP in Centos 7 is PHP 5.4.16 >>> however this version of PHP stopped getting security support from the >>> PHP people one mo

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Thu, October 22, 2015 10:40 am, Jim Perrin wrote: > > > On 10/22/2015 10:31 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So, it seems that the current version of PHP in Centos 7 is PHP 5.4.16 >> however this version of PHP stopped getting security support from the >> PHP >> people one month ago [1]. >

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Jim Perrin
On 10/22/2015 10:31 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: > Hi, > > So, it seems that the current version of PHP in Centos 7 is PHP 5.4.16 > however this version of PHP stopped getting security support from the PHP > people one month ago [1]. > > Now, our developers want to use the new and shiny PHP because

Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Nux!
"centos" > Sent: Thursday, 22 October, 2015 16:31:46 > Subject: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers > Hi, > > So, it seems that the current version of PHP in Centos 7 is PHP 5.4.16 > however this version of PHP stopped getting security support from the PHP > peo

[CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers

2015-10-22 Thread Andrew Holway
Hi, So, it seems that the current version of PHP in Centos 7 is PHP 5.4.16 however this version of PHP stopped getting security support from the PHP people one month ago [1]. Now, our developers want to use the new and shiny PHP because they want to use the latest version of Zend. They are propos