on 9-2-2008 1:44 PM MHR spake the following:
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Scott Silva wrote:
I remember when 1 GB *hard* drives didn't exist!
I still have a few - a 20MB Tulin TL225 that was HUGE when it first
came out, and a couple of Seagates, one is 120MB and one is 512MB.
Oh, and I a
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Scott Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 9-2-2008 1:44 PM MHR spake the following:
>
> I still have a pair of 40 MB MFM half-height 5.25" drives in the garage
> somewhere. I don't think I have an interface card even if I cared what was
> on them. Probably DOS 3.3
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 10:11:26PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 09:38 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008, Ric Moore wrote:
> > >
> > >On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 11:19 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
> > >> >> For shame! WfW was 3.11,
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 03:36 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Ric Moore wrote:
> > Nice! Let me know when you clean out your garage! Remember Irv Hoff??
> > Imp? Best little telecom program ever written.
>
> Do you think this conversation might have lost context on the CentOS
> list ? I am sure th
Ric Moore wrote:
Nice! Let me know when you clean out your garage! Remember Irv Hoff??
Imp? Best little telecom program ever written.
Do you think this conversation might have lost context on the CentOS
list ? I am sure there is much amusement to be had catching up with a
lot of this, but mi
On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 00:37 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
> Ric Moore wrote:
> > On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 09:32 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
> >> lets play "Name that old computer!"
> >>
> >> http://hogranch.com/digital.research/My_office_upstairs_at_734_Lighthouse.jpg
> >>
> >> (my office circa 1979)
>
On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 09:38 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 03, 2008, Ric Moore wrote:
> >
> >On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 11:19 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
> >> >> For shame! WfW was 3.11,
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > 3.1.1, IIRC
> >> >
> >>
> >> actually, there was a 3.10 and 3.11 release
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008, Ric Moore wrote:
>
>On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 11:19 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
>> >> For shame! WfW was 3.11,
>> >>
>> >
>> > 3.1.1, IIRC
>> >
>>
>> actually, there was a 3.10 and 3.11 release of Windows for Workgroups.
>> The 3.11 release introduced the use of 32 b
Ric Moore wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 09:32 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
lets play "Name that old computer!"
http://hogranch.com/digital.research/My_office_upstairs_at_734_Lighthouse.jpg
(my office circa 1979)
I spy with my little eye a televideo 803 terminal, and what looks like a
hazel
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 11:19 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
> >> For shame! WfW was 3.11,
> >>
> >
> > 3.1.1, IIRC
> >
>
> actually, there was a 3.10 and 3.11 release of Windows for Workgroups.
> The 3.11 release introduced the use of 32 bit protected mode
> implementation of the networ
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 09:32 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
> Ric Moore wrote:
> > I once had a pretty large collection of CP/M machines. I had three
> > IMSAI's
>
> ok, now you've done it.
>
> lets play "Name that old computer!"
>
> http://hogranch.com/digital.research/My_office_upstairs_at_73
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 19:55 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 19:10:32 MHR wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > 3.1.1, IIRC
> >
> > Nope, 3.11.
> >
> You could be right.
He is, we had a PC running it (WfW 3.11) till ju
Bill Campbell wrote:
Anyway, 5 and 10 MB HDs were the common PC drives back in the 80s and
90s. 20MB was a *big* one. Seek (average) of > 60ms was usual and fast
ones were less than that.
The first HDs that Radio Shack sold for their Model 16s were 8in
8MB units and the primary HD which came
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008, William L. Maltby wrote:
>
>On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 12:26 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Can't argue with you :-) It does seem likely, as 1GB flash drives
>> > wouldn't
>> > have been a possibility at that time. I never owned one at all until
>> > relatively recentl
On Tue, September 2, 2008 14:31, William L. Maltby wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 12:26 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Can't argue with you :-) It does seem likely, as 1GB flash drives
>> wouldn't
>> > have been a possibility at that time. I never owned one at all until
>> > relatively
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Scott Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I remember when 1 GB *hard* drives didn't exist!
>
I still have a few - a 20MB Tulin TL225 that was HUGE when it first
came out, and a couple of Seagates, one is 120MB and one is 512MB.
Oh, and I almost forgot my Priam 780
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:32 AM, John R Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ric Moore wrote:
>> I once had a pretty large collection of CP/M machines. I had three
>> IMSAI's
> ok, now you've done it.
> lets play "Name that old computer!"
> http://hogranch.com/digital.research/My_office_upstairs
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 12:26 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
>
>
> > Can't argue with you :-) It does seem likely, as 1GB flash drives wouldn't
> > have been a possibility at that time. I never owned one at all until
> > relatively recently.
> >
> I remember when 1 GB *hard* drives didn't exist!
Can't argue with you :-) It does seem likely, as 1GB flash drives wouldn't
have been a possibility at that time. I never owned one at all until
relatively recently.
I remember when 1 GB *hard* drives didn't exist!
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On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Fair enough. Out of curiosity - do they work in W2K out of the box, or
> require some update? I ask because I'm considering W2K as a
> VM.
>
Ya got me there - I /think/ so, but am not sure.
mhr
_
On Tuesday 02 September 2008 19:10:32 MHR wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > 3.1.1, IIRC
>
> Nope, 3.11.
>
You could be right.
> > I did. It was better than 95, and better than 98 first edition.
>
> I was making a joke about WfW screaming.
>
> >
For shame! WfW was 3.11,
3.1.1, IIRC
actually, there was a 3.10 and 3.11 release of Windows for Workgroups.
The 3.11 release introduced the use of 32 bit protected mode
implementation of the network stack and file system via extensive use of
VxD drivers, and set the stage for
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 3.1.1, IIRC
>
Nope, 3.11.
> I did. It was better than 95, and better than 98 first edition.
>
I was making a joke about WfW screaming.
> USB drives should work without any problem at all, assuming he is using 98SE.
>
No
On Tuesday 02 September 2008 18:25:10 MHR wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Scott Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But Windows for Workgroups 3.1 really screams on the newer hardware! ;-P
>
> For shame! WfW was 3.11,
3.1.1, IIRC
> and it just screams, or did, or so I heard -
> neve
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Scott Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But Windows for Workgroups 3.1 really screams on the newer hardware! ;-P
>
For shame! WfW was 3.11, and it just screams, or did, or so I heard -
never used it. I stuck with 3.1 until 98 was due out and then,
finally, cav
Ric Moore wrote:
I once had a pretty large collection of CP/M machines. I had three
IMSAI's
ok, now you've done it.
lets play "Name that old computer!"
http://hogranch.com/digital.research/My_office_upstairs_at_734_Lighthouse.jpg
(my office circa 1979)
__
This discussion really should be on the classic computers mail list.
Hmmm 2Mhz 8080a vs 3.0Ghz Core 2 duo ... things have changed a bit on
the personal computer side.
But Windows for Workgroups 3.1 really screams on the newer hardware! ;-P
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On Sun, August 31, 2008 04:03, Ric Moore wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 10:51 -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>> I've also still got a laptop that's probably older than him. It runs
>> CP/M.
>
> I once had a pretty large collection of CP/M machines. I had three
> IMSAI's. a VDP-80 and two VDP-
8" floppies. Now that does bring back a memory for me. I was working
on a project in Texas. The customer was in Kentucky as I recall.
I fixed a problem and gave an 8" floppy to our Shipping department, to
send to the customer. The customer called me on the phone, to
inform me that the floppy ha
On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, Paul wrote:
Hmmm, Processor Technologies used to have a voice coil actuated dual
drive that shared it between both drives IIRC. Interesting drive with a
motorized eject, thing is you had to wait for the disk to complete eject
before you grabbed it, if you grabbed it before i
On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 22:21 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 11:20 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
>
> > When I first encountered a customer who had disk drive problems such that
> > we replaced the 8in drives in their Radio Shack Model II several times, it
> > wasn't until I went on-s
On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 11:20 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
> When I first encountered a customer who had disk drive problems such that
> we replaced the 8in drives in their Radio Shack Model II several times, it
> wasn't until I went on-site to find that they were storing their floppies
> by stickin
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Bill Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 31, 2008, Lanny Marcus wrote:
>>On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:35 PM, MHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Bill Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Wait, I have a Pascal Microengin
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008, Lanny Marcus wrote:
>On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:35 PM, MHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Bill Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I still have a Tandy 4000, 386-16 no cache, that is used occassionally to
>>> program EPROMS. This same machin
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:35 PM, MHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Bill Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I still have a Tandy 4000, 386-16 no cache, that is used occassionally to
>> program EPROMS. This same machine ran Xenix for years before being abused
>> b
On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 10:51 -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
> On Thu, August 28, 2008 17:50, Scott Silva wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> You do realize I'm one of the "squirts" you're referring to right?
> >> I started working with computers in more than just a 'hey, I need to
> >> write this paper' sort o
John Hinton wrote:
CentOS must be running really good for everyone as this which is now
the 'oldest thread that already should have died' seems to keep
interrupting my normally busy CentOS mailbox. :( And you really don't
want me to start into old..
Can we get back to the regularly schedu
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:56 AM, John Hinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> CentOS must be running really good for everyone as this which is now the
> 'oldest thread that already should have died' seems to keep interrupting my
> normally busy CentOS mailbox. :( And you really don't want me to start
CentOS must be running really good for everyone as this which is now the
'oldest thread that already should have died' seems to keep interrupting
my normally busy CentOS mailbox. :( And you really don't want me to
start into old..
Can we get back to the regularly scheduled program please?
on 8-29-2008 9:47 AM R P Herrold spake the following:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Jim Perrin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:58 AM, R P Herrold
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
you win ;) -- I don't want to be older, and in my head, I'm still
in my
twenties.
Face it. Your golden buckeye card has a r
on 8-29-2008 9:04 AM Bill Campbell spake the following:
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008, William L. Maltby wrote:
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 17:27 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
I still have a Tandy 4000, 386-16 no cache, that is used occassionally to
program EPROMS. This same machine ran Xenix for years before
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Jim Perrin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:58 AM, R P Herrold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
you win ;) -- I don't want to be older, and in my head, I'm still in my
twenties.
Face it. Your golden buckeye card has a registration number of 1. you
cannot escape this fact, no
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008, William L. Maltby wrote:
>
>On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 17:27 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
>>
>
>> I still have a Tandy 4000, 386-16 no cache, that is used occassionally to
>> program EPROMS. This same machine ran Xenix for years before being abused
>> by installing DR-DOS on it.
>
On Thu, August 28, 2008 17:50, Scott Silva wrote:
>
>>
>> You do realize I'm one of the "squirts" you're referring to right?
>> I started working with computers in more than just a 'hey, I need to
>> write this paper' sort of way around 1995. The *first* CPU I used was
>> a pentium (though this
On Fri, August 29, 2008 07:58, R P Herrold wrote:
>
> Reading closely the rest of the thread, I 'programmed'
> plugboards on 5xx series unit record machines, ran 026, 027,
> and 029's; ran the 13 pocket sorter; later wrote tape and
> print spooling deivers for our 1401, and all that. I don't
> m
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:58 AM, R P Herrold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you win ;) -- I don't want to be older, and in my head, I'm still in my
> twenties.
Face it. Your golden buckeye card has a registration number of 1. you
cannot escape this fact, no matter how much single-malt confusion y
Scott Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
on 8-28-2008 4:15 PM William L. Maltby spake the following:
> On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 15:50 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
>>
>
>> I have motherboards in my garage older than you! ;-D
>
> PIKER! I've mobos still running (when I fire '
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Robert wrote:
We might be entering "first liar don't have a chance"
territory here. Do you remember where you were when Kennedy
was shot?
sadly, yes
I was in the last Ramac 305 class ever held, on
lunch break and had watched the motorcade pass from a
lunchroom window.
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 20:47 -0400, fred smith wrote:
>
> I've still got the first computer I ever bought (a lot newer than the first
> one I ever used), a screamin' 10 Mhz XT clone with 8087 too! Last year
> when I fired it up it still worked, though the hard drive had bitten
> the dust.
>
> An
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 17:35 -0700, MHR wrote:
>
> Well, all I have that foes back that far is a 2nd gen IBM PC (the 64k
> m/b) that would probably work if I knew where any of my 360k MS-DOS
> floppies were.
I could make some for you. Just need to pop the drive into one of my
units.
>
> mhr
>
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 17:27 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
>
> I still have a Tandy 4000, 386-16 no cache, that is used occassionally to
> program EPROMS. This same machine ran Xenix for years before being abused
> by installing DR-DOS on it.
For shame, for shame! You should have known better! ;-
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 16:57 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
> on 8-28-2008 4:15 PM William L. Maltby spake the following:
> > On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 15:50 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
> >>
> >
> >> I have motherboards in my garage older than you! ;-D
> >
> > PIKER! I've mobos still running (when I fire '
R P Herrold wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, William L. Maltby wrote:
>
>> PIKER! I've mobos still running (when I fire 'em up). Although I'm
>> seriously considering ditching the 386SX with Win 3.11. Don't find any
>
> three words: Processor Tech Sol
Two words: Compulsive Hoarders.
All of you!
Ch
R P Herrold wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Akemi Yagi wrote:
three words: Processor Tech Sol
-- Russ herrold
Ahh, I was waiting for you to show up. OK, everyone, if you are
trying to show your age, stop now -- because no one can win orc_orc
(Russ, our CentOS dev).
Actually from slightly b
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Akemi Yagi wrote:
three words: Processor Tech Sol
-- Russ herrold
Ahh, I was waiting for you to show up. OK, everyone, if you are
trying to show your age, stop now -- because no one can win orc_orc
(Russ, our CentOS dev).
Actually from slightly before that era, I also
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:58 PM, R P Herrold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, William L. Maltby wrote:
>
>> PIKER! I've mobos still running (when I fire 'em up). Although I'm
>> seriously considering ditching the 386SX with Win 3.11. Don't find any
>
> three words: Processor Tech
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, William L. Maltby wrote:
PIKER! I've mobos still running (when I fire 'em up). Although I'm
seriously considering ditching the 386SX with Win 3.11. Don't find any
three words: Processor Tech Sol
-- Russ herrold
___
CentOS maili
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 05:35:28PM -0700, MHR wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Bill Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I still have a Tandy 4000, 386-16 no cache, that is used occassionally to
> > program EPROMS. This same machine ran Xenix for years before being abused
> > by in
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Bill Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I still have a Tandy 4000, 386-16 no cache, that is used occassionally to
> program EPROMS. This same machine ran Xenix for years before being abused
> by installing DR-DOS on it.
>
> I have a Radio Shack Model 100, the
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008, Scott Silva wrote:
> on 8-28-2008 4:15 PM William L. Maltby spake the following:
>> On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 15:50 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> I have motherboards in my garage older than you! ;-D
>>
>> PIKER! I've mobos still running (when I fire 'em up). Although I'm
>
on 8-28-2008 4:15 PM William L. Maltby spake the following:
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 15:50 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
I have motherboards in my garage older than you! ;-D
PIKER! I've mobos still running (when I fire 'em up). Although I'm
seriously considering ditching the 386SX with Win 3.11.
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 15:50 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
>
> >
> I have motherboards in my garage older than you! ;-D
PIKER! I've mobos still running (when I fire 'em up). Although I'm
seriously considering ditching the 386SX with Win 3.11. Don't find any
reason to fire it up anymore.
Hell, even
You do realize I'm one of the "squirts" you're referring to right?
I started working with computers in more than just a 'hey, I need to
write this paper' sort of way around 1995. The *first* CPU I used was
a pentium (though this is not the oldest, as I developed a fondness
for antiques).
So y
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