Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-20 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Thu, October 20, 2016 7:38 am, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > Hello Alice, > > On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 14:22 -0700, Alice Wonder wrote: >> I formerly used secp521r1 but suddenly Google with no warning stopped >> supporting it in chrome. That company is too powerful. It is. As anything behind w

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-20 Thread Leonard den Ottolander
Hello Alice, On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 14:22 -0700, Alice Wonder wrote: > I formerly used secp521r1 but suddenly Google with no warning stopped > supporting it in chrome. That company is too powerful. Actually this is something the NSA insists on: https://www.iad.gov/iad/customcf/openAttachment.cfm

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-20 Thread Leonard den Ottolander
Hi, On Thu, 2016-10-20 at 13:47 +0200, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > The point Bernstein makes in the article I referenced is not so much > that the NIST curves are suspect (for the reasons you mention) but the > fact that the ECDSA algorithm itself is such that it is virtually > impossible to i

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-20 Thread Leonard den Ottolander
Hello Alice, On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 13:40 -0700, Alice Wonder wrote: > On 10/19/2016 11:34 AM, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > > Personally I would be more concerned whether or not to enable ECDSA > > algorithms (https://blog.cr.yp.to/20140323-ecdsa.html). > For web server ECDSA certs is currently

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Alice Wonder
On 10/19/2016 01:54 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Alice Wonder wrote: On 10/19/2016 11:34 AM, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: Hello Gordon, *snip* Personally I would be more concerned whether or not to enable ECDSA algorithms (https://blog.cr.yp.to/20140323-ecdsa.html). For web server ECDSA c

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread m . roth
Alice Wonder wrote: > On 10/19/2016 11:34 AM, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: >> Hello Gordon, >> > *snip* >> >> Personally I would be more concerned whether or not to enable ECDSA >> algorithms (https://blog.cr.yp.to/20140323-ecdsa.html). >> > For web server ECDSA certs is currently a concern becaus

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Alice Wonder
On 10/19/2016 11:34 AM, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: Hello Gordon, *snip* Personally I would be more concerned whether or not to enable ECDSA algorithms (https://blog.cr.yp.to/20140323-ecdsa.html). Regards, Leonard. For web server ECDSA certs is currently a concern because the only curv

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Clint Dilks
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:30 AM, Leonard den Ottolander < leon...@den.ottolander.nl> wrote: > Hello Clint, > > On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 11:28 +1300, Clint Dilks wrote: > > The following weak client-to-server encryption algorithms are supported > by > > the remote service: > > rijndael-...@lysator.liu

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Leonard den Ottolander
Hello Gordon, On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 10:31 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 10/19/2016 08:30 AM, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > > Where did you get the idea that AES (~ Rijndael) is a weak cipher? > > > It's not the cipher, but the mode. CBC has several known weaknesses in > TLS, and is frequ

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 10/19/2016 08:30 AM, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: Where did you get the idea that AES (~ Rijndael) is a weak cipher? It's not the cipher, but the mode. CBC has several known weaknesses in TLS, and is frequently regarded as potentially insecure as a result. https://www.openssl.org/~bodo

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Leon Fauster
Am 19.10.2016 um 17:30 schrieb Leonard den Ottolander : > Hello Clint, > > On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 11:28 +1300, Clint Dilks wrote: >> The following weak client-to-server encryption algorithms are supported by >> the remote service: >> rijndael-...@lysator.liu.se >> arcfour256 >> arcfour128 >> aes25

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Leon Fauster
Am 19.10.2016 um 17:05 schrieb Chris Adams : > Once upon a time, Erik Laxdal said: >> The supported KexAlgorithms, Ciphers, and MACs are generally listed >> in the sshd_config man page. So 'man sshd_config' then look for the >> section of the item of interest. > > Note that the man page does not

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Leonard den Ottolander
Hello Clint, On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 11:28 +1300, Clint Dilks wrote: > The following weak client-to-server encryption algorithms are supported by > the remote service: > rijndael-...@lysator.liu.se > arcfour256 > arcfour128 > aes256-cbc > 3des-cbc > aes192-cbc > blowfish-cbc > cast128-cbc > arcfour

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Erik Laxdal said: > The supported KexAlgorithms, Ciphers, and MACs are generally listed > in the sshd_config man page. So 'man sshd_config' then look for the > section of the item of interest. Note that the man page does not always match the actual compiled binary (the build pr

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Erik Laxdal
On 2016-10-19 03:11, Leon Fauster wrote: Is there any command to find the supported list of KeyAlgos, MACs and Ciphers for the particular system (e.g. EL{5,6,7})? Similar to $ openssl ciphers -v ... The supported KexAlgorithms, Ciphers, and MACs are generally listed in the sshd_config man pa

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Leon Fauster
Am 19.10.2016 um 00:58 schrieb Gordon Messmer : > On 10/18/2016 03:28 PM, Clint Dilks wrote: >> So first >> question is are people generally modifying the list of ciphers supported by >> the ssh client and sshd? > > I suspect that "generally" people are not. I do, because I can, and so that > I

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-18 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 10/18/2016 03:28 PM, Clint Dilks wrote: So first question is are people generally modifying the list of ciphers supported by the ssh client and sshd? I suspect that "generally" people are not. I do, because I can, and so that I can offer at least some advice to people who aim to do so.

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-18 Thread Alice Wonder
On CentOS 7 I put the following at the end of ssh KexAlgorithms curve25519-sha...@libssh.org,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256 I believe that prevents the CBC ciphers from being used. CentOS 6 I *think* does not support curve25519 so that one may not be an option for CentOS 6. That really

[CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-18 Thread Clint Dilks
Hi, In a recent security review some systems I manage were flagged due to supporting "weak" ciphers, specifically the ones listed below. So first question is are people generally modifying the list of ciphers supported by the ssh client and sshd? On CentOS 6 currently it looks like if I remove a