Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-31 Thread Kenni Lund
2011/3/31 David Sommerseth : > On 29/03/11 21:13, Kenni Lund wrote: >> The main problem is Windows guests, which easily chokes on hardware >> changes (forced reactivation of Windows or unbootable with BSOD). Each >> qemu-kvm version will behave differently, so moving from one major >> qemu-kvm vers

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-31 Thread David Sommerseth
On 29/03/11 21:13, Kenni Lund wrote: > Den 29/03/2011 15.41 skrev "David Sommerseth" : [...snip...] Thanks a lot for good information! > The main problem is Windows guests, which easily chokes on hardware > changes (forced reactivation of Windows or unbootable with BSOD). Each > qemu-kvm version

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-31 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 08:59:09AM -0400, Steve Thompson wrote: > On Mon, 28 Mar 2011, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:41:04AM -0400, Steve Thompson wrote: >>> First. With Xen I was never able to start more than 30 guests at one time >>> with any success; the 31st guest alway

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-29 Thread Kenni Lund
Den 29/03/2011 15.41 skrev "David Sommerseth" : > This makes me wondering how well it would go to migrate from SL6 to CentOS > 6, if all KVM guests are on dedicated/separate LVM volumes and that you > take a backup of /etc/libvirt.  So when CentOS6 is released, scratch SL6 > and install CentOS6, pu

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-29 Thread Lucian
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:41 PM, David Sommerseth wrote: > On 27/03/11 11:57, Jussi Hirvi wrote: >> Some may be bored with the subject - sorry... >> >> Still not decided about virtualization platform for my "webhotel v2" >> (ns, mail, web servers, etc.). >> >> KVM would be a natural way to go, I s

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-29 Thread David Sommerseth
On 27/03/11 11:57, Jussi Hirvi wrote: > Some may be bored with the subject - sorry... > > Still not decided about virtualization platform for my "webhotel v2" > (ns, mail, web servers, etc.). > > KVM would be a natural way to go, I suppose, only it is too bad CentOS 6 > will not be out in time

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-28 Thread Andres Toomsalu
Please also consider OpenNode - http://opennode.activesys.org - a CentOS based KVM full virtualization + OpenVZ linux containers solution. Supports VM templating and live migration, etc - with easy bare metal setup. Cheers, -- -- Andres Toomsalu, and

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-28 Thread Warren Young
On 3/27/2011 3:07 PM, Jure Pečar wrote: > > It's interesting that nobody so far mentioned openVZ I wouldn't use it since being bitten by its lack of swap support. I run a couple of web sites on a fairly "heavy" web stack which loads up a bunch of dependencies that don't actually end up being use

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-28 Thread Steve Thompson
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:41:04AM -0400, Steve Thompson wrote: First. With Xen I was never able to start more than 30 guests at one time with any success; the 31st guest always failed to boot or crashed during booting, no matter which guest I chose a

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-28 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:41:04AM -0400, Steve Thompson wrote: > > The slightly longer story... > > First. With Xen I was never able to start more than 30 guests at one time > with any success; the 31st guest always failed to boot or crashed during > booting, no matter which guest I chose as t

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Chuck Munro
On 03/27/2011 09:00 AM, Jerry Franz wrote: > > On 03/27/2011 02:57 AM, Jussi Hirvi wrote: >> > Some may be bored with the subject - sorry... >> > >> > Still not decided about virtualization platform for my "webhotel v2" >> > (ns, mail, web servers, etc.). >> > >> > KVM would be a natural way

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Rob Kampen
David Brian Chait wrote: I understand that vmware has much stronger marketing machine, however that does not mean that their technology is somehow better. Their offer is a reasonable choice for many scenarios in IT, mass web hosting is unfortunately not one of them. As any competent admin will te

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread David Brian Chait
> I understand that vmware has much stronger marketing machine, however that > does not mean that their technology is somehow better. Their offer is a > reasonable choice for many scenarios in IT, mass web hosting is > unfortunately not one of them. As any competent admin will tell you, use > the

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Jure Pečar
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:26:38 +0300 Eero Volotinen wrote: > > The same is true for solutions like vmware. Just google for all the > > "blue pill" talks. It's a theoretical risk that is small enough to be > > irrelevant. > > WebServers running buggy php software provides (easy) way to execute > lo

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Eero Volotinen
>> > Well.. eh. as you might know that virtuozzo/openvz does not provide >> > kernel isolation. Mainly this means than one kernel exploit can provide >> > full access to all openvz/virtuozzo containers. >> > > > The same is true for solutions like vmware. Just google for all the "blue > pill" talks

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Jure Pečar
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:10:45 +0200 Rudi Ahlers wrote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Eero Volotinen > wrote: > >> I've deployed Virtuozzo for a large web hosting company and found it > >> superior to vmware in about every aspect that mattered in a web hosting > >> environment. > > > > Well.

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote: >> I've deployed Virtuozzo for a large web hosting company and found it >> superior to vmware in about every aspect that mattered in a web hosting >> environment. > > Well.. eh. as you might know that virtuozzo/openvz does not provide kernel

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Eero Volotinen
> I've deployed Virtuozzo for a large web hosting company and found it > superior to vmware in about every aspect that mattered in a web hosting > environment. Well.. eh. as you might know that virtuozzo/openvz does not provide kernel isolation. Mainly this means than one kernel exploit can provid

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Jure Pečar
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:21:45 -0700 David Brian Chait wrote: > The two things that always comes to mind when I am considering a > virtualization solution is extent of tool set/support, and the general > acceptance of the technology. For those two reasons I nearly always > implement VMware, it has

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread David Brian Chait
> It's interesting that nobody so far mentioned openVZ or its commercial > version, Virtuozzo. It's different than all major virtualization players > (it's OS level virtualization, not hw level), but that makes it the only > viable option for things like mass web hosting solutions. > Try it out an

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Jure Pečar wrote: > On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:42:36 -0500 > Les Mikesell wrote: > >> On 3/27/11 4:57 AM, Jussi Hirvi wrote: >> > Some may be bored with the subject - sorry... >> > >> > Still not decided about virtualization platform for my "webhotel v2" >> > (ns, ma

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Jure Pečar
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:42:36 -0500 Les Mikesell wrote: > On 3/27/11 4:57 AM, Jussi Hirvi wrote: > > Some may be bored with the subject - sorry... > > > > Still not decided about virtualization platform for my "webhotel v2" > > (ns, mail, web servers, etc.). It's interesting that nobody so far me

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Joseph L. Casale
> You can boot ESXi from a >small CF card, as once its booted, it doesn't touch the boot device at all. Yes it does, there are cron jobs for config backups etc. How does it remember config changes in a non-stateless deployment? ~ # cat /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root #syntax : minute hour day mo

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread John R Pierce
On 03/27/11 2:57 AM, Jussi Hirvi wrote: > Any experience with the free "VMware vSphere Hypervisor"?. (It was > formerly known as "VMware ESXi Single Server" or "free ESXi".) one downside to ESXi, it does not support any sort of software raid. Normally ESX is used with a SAN, which provides all

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Nataraj
On 03/27/2011 07:10 AM, Steve Thompson wrote: > On Sun, 27 Mar 2011, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > >> How did you get the PXE working? > I already had a PXE server for physical hosts, so I just did a > virt-install with the --pxe switch, and it worked first time. The MAC > address was pre-defined an

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread David Brian Chait
> Biggest problem in free esxi is that it lacks backup vcb api, so full > image backups are almost impossible under free esxi host .. Not true at all, I use the ghettovcb script in the console and it works fine. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.or

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Les Mikesell
On 3/27/11 4:57 AM, Jussi Hirvi wrote: > Some may be bored with the subject - sorry... > > Still not decided about virtualization platform for my "webhotel v2" > (ns, mail, web servers, etc.). > > KVM would be a natural way to go, I suppose, only it is too bad CentOS 6 > will not be out in time for

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread compdoc
> KVM was a dog in testing under CentOS and RHEL 5.x. The bridged >networking has *NO* network configuration tool that understands >how to set it up, you have to do it manually, and that's a deficit I've >submitted upstream as an RFE. It may work well with CentOS and >RHEL 6, i've not had a chance

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Steve Thompson
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > How did you get the PXE working? I already had a PXE server for physical hosts, so I just did a virt-install with the --pxe switch, and it worked first time. The MAC address was pre-defined and known to the DHCP server. I installed both Linux and

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Steve Thompson wrote: > On Sun, 27 Mar 2011, Jussi Hirvi wrote: > >> KVM would be a natural way to go, I suppose, only it is too bad CentOS 6 >> will not be out in time for me - I guess KVM would be more mature in >> CentOS 6. > > I have been using Xen with much su

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Steve Thompson
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011, Jussi Hirvi wrote: > KVM would be a natural way to go, I suppose, only it is too bad CentOS 6 > will not be out in time for me - I guess KVM would be more mature in > CentOS 6. I have been using Xen with much success for several years, now with two CentOS 5.5 x86_64 Dom0's,

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Ryan Wagoner
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Eero Volotinen wrote: > 2011/3/27 Drew : >>> Any experience with the free "VMware vSphere Hypervisor"?. (It was >>> formerly known as "VMware ESXi Single Server" or "free ESXi".) >>> >>> http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere-hypervisor/overview.html >>> >>> I woul

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Drew wrote: >> Any experience with the free "VMware vSphere Hypervisor"?. (It was >> formerly known as "VMware ESXi Single Server" or "free ESXi".) >> >> http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere-hypervisor/overview.html >> >> I would need a tutorial about that... For

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Eero Volotinen
2011/3/27 Drew : >> Any experience with the free "VMware vSphere Hypervisor"?. (It was >> formerly known as "VMware ESXi Single Server" or "free ESXi".) >> >> http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere-hypervisor/overview.html >> >> I would need a tutorial about that... For example, does that run witho

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Drew
> Any experience with the free "VMware vSphere Hypervisor"?. (It was > formerly known as "VMware ESXi Single Server" or "free ESXi".) > > http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere-hypervisor/overview.html > > I would need a tutorial about that... For example, does that run without > a host OS? Can it

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Jerry Franz
On 03/27/2011 02:57 AM, Jussi Hirvi wrote: > Some may be bored with the subject - sorry... > > Still not decided about virtualization platform for my "webhotel v2" > (ns, mail, web servers, etc.). > > KVM would be a natural way to go, I suppose, only it is too bad CentOS 6 > will not be out in time

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread RedShift
On 03/27/11 11:57, Jussi Hirvi wrote: > Some may be bored with the subject - sorry... > > Still not decided about virtualization platform for my "webhotel v2" > (ns, mail, web servers, etc.). > > KVM would be a natural way to go, I suppose, only it is too bad CentOS 6 > will not be out in time for

[CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-27 Thread Jussi Hirvi
Some may be bored with the subject - sorry... Still not decided about virtualization platform for my "webhotel v2" (ns, mail, web servers, etc.). KVM would be a natural way to go, I suppose, only it is too bad CentOS 6 will not be out in time for me - I guess KVM would be more mature in CentOS