Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-12 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Ross Walker wrote: > On Jan 12, 2012, at 11:30 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > >> You can never count on free future support or additions to anything >> and java isn't an exception, but how can anything that works now on >> current openjdk (which includes most open sour

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-12 Thread Ross Walker
On Jan 12, 2012, at 11:30 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > You can never count on free future support or additions to anything > and java isn't an exception, but how can anything that works now on > current openjdk (which includes most open source java apps and > libraries) be locked in? Ok, I may be d

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-12 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Ross Walker wrote: > >> You can't be very agile working in C, though.  Something called C with >> roughly similar syntax may work on a lot of platforms but that doesn't >> mean that you can actually compile and run the same code.   Where with >> java you don't even

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-12 Thread Ross Walker
On Jan 12, 2012, at 2:13 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Ross Walker wrote: >>> >> Corporate greed will always trump idealistic pursuits. > > I'm still pondering how Sun's demise fits into this picture > >> As soon as a product has enough momentum there will be

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-11 Thread Les Mikesell
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Ross Walker wrote: >> > Corporate greed will always trump idealistic pursuits. I'm still pondering how Sun's demise fits into this picture > As soon as a product has enough momentum there will be patent fights, > copyright fights, licensing and revocation o

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-11 Thread Ross Walker
On Jan 12, 2012, at 12:25 AM, Ross Walker wrote: > On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:45 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Ross Walker wrote: >>> >>> But you'd be wrong on all counts. I'd argue the opposite - that you should only be allowed to use languages that wor

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-11 Thread Ross Walker
On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:45 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Ross Walker wrote: >> >> >>> But you'd be wrong on all counts. I'd argue the opposite - that you >>> should only be allowed to use languages that work across CPU types and >>> OS's so as to never be locked int

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-11 Thread Les Mikesell
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Ross Walker wrote: > > >> But you'd be wrong on all counts.  I'd argue the opposite - that you >> should only be allowed to use languages that work across CPU types and >> OS's so as to never be locked into a monopolistic single vendor. > > You mean like Oracle? N

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-11 Thread Ross Walker
On Jan 10, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > But you'd be wrong on all counts. I'd argue the opposite - that you > should only be allowed to use languages that work across CPU types and > OS's so as to never be locked into a monopolistic single vendor. You mean like Oracle? -Ross _

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-10 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:32 AM, wrote: > Would someone advise whether the distribution of an obsolete version > of java should be reported as a bug; > http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=827 One *could* argue that Java is a bug,

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-10 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 01/10/2012 07:17 AM, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: > On 10 January 2012 13:04, e-letter wrote: >> Readers, >> >> Would someone advise whether the distribution of an obsolete version >> of java should be reported as a bug; >> http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=827 > Why is this a bug?

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:47 AM, wrote: >> But you'd be wrong on all counts.  I'd argue the opposite - that you should only be allowed to use languages that work across CPU types and OS's so as to never be locked into a monopolistic single vendor. >>> So if I were to develop

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:32 AM, wrote: >>> Would someone advise whether the distribution of an obsolete version of java should be reported as a bug; http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=827 >>> >>> One *could* argue that Java is a bug, being a) so error-prone, b)

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-10 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Giles Coochey wrote: >>> >>> But you'd be wrong on all counts.  I'd argue the opposite - that you >>> should only be allowed to use languages that work across CPU types and >>> OS's so as to never be locked into a monopolistic single vendor.

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Giles Coochey wrote: >> >> But you'd be wrong on all counts.  I'd argue the opposite - that you >> should only be allowed to use languages that work across CPU types and >> OS's so as to never be locked into a monopolistic single vendor. >> > > So if I were to dev

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-10 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, wrote: >> >>> Would someone advise whether the distribution of an obsolete version >>> of java should be reported as a bug; >>> http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=827 >> >> One *could* argue that Java is a bug, being a) so

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-10 Thread Giles Coochey
On Tue, January 10, 2012 17:15, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, wrote: >> >> One *could* argue that Java is a bug, being a) so error-prone, b) so >> vulnerable to attack, and c) so huge and slow, and shouldn't be >> allowed > > But you'd be wrong on all counts. I'd arg

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, wrote: > >> Would someone advise whether the distribution of an obsolete version >> of java should be reported as a bug; >> http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=827 > > One *could* argue that Java is a bug, being a) so error-prone, b) so > vulnera

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-10 Thread m . roth
e-letter wrote: > Readers, > > Would someone advise whether the distribution of an obsolete version > of java should be reported as a bug; > http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=827 One *could* argue that Java is a bug, being a) so error-prone, b) so vulnerable to attack, and c) s

Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-10 Thread Hakan Koseoglu
On 10 January 2012 13:04, e-letter wrote: > Readers, > > Would someone advise whether the distribution of an obsolete version > of java should be reported as a bug; > http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=827 Why is this a bug? The bug comments mention that the latest CentOS 6 has

[CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?

2012-01-10 Thread e-letter
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