Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work... cdfs?

On 8/26/2013 12:22 PM, ken wrote: > Yes, that's all true... and why all the other fstypes don't work for > mounting audio CDs (and video DVDs). actually, video DVD's use UDF, and store the video streams in UDF named files. now, most commercial video DVDs are copy protected, so you can't actual

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work... cdfs?

On 08/26/2013 02:50 PM John R Pierce wrote: > On 8/26/2013 5:41 AM, ken wrote: >> I was asking about*mounting* an audio CD. Is there a way to mount an >> audio CD in any of the software you mentioned? > > there are no 'files' on a Audio CD. you can mount an iso 9660 (or UDF > etc) file system,

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work... cdfs?

On 08/26/2013 09:33 AM Joerg Schilling wrote: > ken wrote: > >>> This cdfs does not deliver better quality than from using the "read audio" >>> ioctls from the kernel. Cdda2wav gives much better quylity in case of >>> non-optiimal media and cdda2wav gives you the meta data you need to make a >>> d

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work... cdfs?

On 8/26/2013 5:41 AM, ken wrote: > I was asking about*mounting* an audio CD. Is there a way to mount an > audio CD in any of the software you mentioned? there are no 'files' on a Audio CD. you can mount an iso 9660 (or UDF etc) file system, but those don't exist on an Audio CD. -- john r

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work... cdfs?

ken wrote: > > This cdfs does not deliver better quality than from using the "read audio" > > ioctls from the kernel. Cdda2wav gives much better quylity in case of > > non-optiimal media and cdda2wav gives you the meta data you need to make a > > decent copy. You don't get that from cdfs. > > > >

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work... cdfs?

On 08/21/2013 07:53 AM Joerg Schilling wrote: > ken wrote: > >> Then too of course there'd need to be a way to ascertain if there was >> any substantial differences in the outputs. There's some code out there >> since kernel version 2.2 called cdfs which doesn't seem to be on my >> (v.5.9) system

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On Thu 22 Aug 2013 06:32:47 AM EDT, Joerg Schilling wrote: > On Android, you just need to "press" the character for a longer time and a > bubble with more selections pops up. Thanks for the pointer. > But thank your for providing binary packages. > Oh, they're not mine, just a pointer to someone

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:53 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: >> >> Umm, have they dropped perl? > > It seems that Larry was in a different position. Same problem, just starting from the other side of the picture. > If you carefully read the Artistic License, you will notice that Larry seems > to >

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

John R Pierce wrote: > On 8/21/2013 10:05 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > But Debian attacked cdrtools for using the GPL when it has been 100% GPL. > > I find this an extremely odd assertation. I am not nor ever have been a > Debian user, but I know Debian is based on the Linux Kernel, uses GCC,

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Marko Vojinovic wrote: > While Joerg certainly knows better... I think the issue was that > cdrtools could be built only with the schilly-toolchain (or whatever > the exact name), and that was *not* GPL. So according to some > interpretations of the GPL, while cdrtools was claiming to be > GPL-li

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Marko Vojinovic wrote: > But as far as my memory serves, the issue was not that cdrtools were > GPL, but that the toolchain for building cdrtools source (was that > called "schilly-tools"?) was non-GPL. And the dispute was about the > interpretation of the GPL --- does it require you to license t

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Lamar Owen wrote: > Whee. Here we go again. > > There are properly built and packaged RPMs for Jorg's (sorry, android > keyboard I'm using doesn't have the proper marking for the o there) cdrtools, > for EL6. I'm using them on a few installs where wodim just simply does the > wrong thing and

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

http://www.city-fan.org/ftp/contrib/yum-repo/ is the city-fan.org repo master; you will likely want to us the University of Seville mirror at http://nervion.us.es/city-fan/yum-repo/ . Do note that installing these packages will replace what could be considered core portions of the system; you'

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Whee. Here we go again. There are properly built and packaged RPMs for Jorg's (sorry, android keyboard I'm using doesn't have the proper marking for the o there) cdrtools, for EL6. I'm using them on a few installs where wodim just simply does the wrong thing and cdrtools does the right thing.

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work... cdfs?

Keith Keller wrote: > It's worth investigating. If k3b does indeed compile against cdrtools > libraries then you may be out of luck. Writing optical media is a task that needs special privileges. Calling e.g. cdrecord as a separate program gives prilviege separation and prevents you from bein

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

John R Pierce wrote: > On 8/21/2013 4:15 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Why do you believe this? > > Do you believe that centos delivers inconstsistent libraries? > > if you replace the stuff thats under RPM package management with code > you self compile and simply copy, you break the package m

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Les Mikesell wrote: > > I was attacked by Debian _for_ using the GPL and it seems that you did not > > help > > at that time. I will not use a license again after I was attacked _because_ > > I > > used this specific license. > > Umm, have they dropped perl? It seems that Larry was in a differ

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work... cdfs?

On 2013-08-21, ken wrote: > > Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, that would work. But then I'm pretty > sure that I'd also need to compile (from source) all (or most) of the > dependent apps (grip, k3b, gnome-cd, etc.) so that they would look to > /usr/local/* for supporting libraries and utilit

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:18:48 -0700 John R Pierce wrote: > On 8/21/2013 10:05 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > But Debian attacked cdrtools for using the GPL when it has been > > 100% GPL. > > I find this an extremely odd assertation. I am not nor ever have > been a Debian user, but I know Debian i

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 18:09:10 +0200 Joerg Schilling wrote: > Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > > So if you want your software to be used by the majority of Linux > > distros without license-related hiccups, you can always just > > re-license it to GPL and everyone will be happy. > > You seem to be miss

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:25 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > On 8/21/2013 4:15 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: >> Why do you believe this? >> Do you believe that centos delivers inconstsistent libraries? > > if you replace the stuff thats under RPM package management with code > you self compile and simply

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On 8/21/2013 4:15 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Why do you believe this? > Do you believe that centos delivers inconstsistent libraries? if you replace the stuff thats under RPM package management with code you self compile and simply copy, you break the package management system. an update mig

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On 8/21/2013 10:05 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > But Debian attacked cdrtools for using the GPL when it has been 100% GPL. I find this an extremely odd assertation. I am not nor ever have been a Debian user, but I know Debian is based on the Linux Kernel, uses GCC, gnu libc, etc as its core, and

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 21.08.2013 18:42, schrieb Joerg Schilling: > > The GPL is discouraged by Debian... > > You should think about why you did not help to defend the GPL in 2005 > > *bruhaha* half of the debian distribution including the > kernel *is* GPL as well as all other linux distr

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: >> > You seem to be missinformed: When cdrtools have been 100% GPL, it was >> > attacked >> > by Debian _because_ it was 100% GPL and because the GPL is a frequently >> > missinterpreted license. >> > >> > ...so I decided to choose a less p

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Les Mikesell wrote: > > You seem to be missinformed: When cdrtools have been 100% GPL, it was > > attacked > > by Debian _because_ it was 100% GPL and because the GPL is a frequently > > missinterpreted license. > > > > ...so I decided to choose a less problematic license than the GPL. > > The G

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Marko Vojinovic wrote: > >> So if you want your software to be used by the majority of Linux >> distros without license-related hiccups, you can always just re-license >> it to GPL and everyone will be happy. > > You seem to be missinform

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

wwp wrote: > > You seem to be missinformed: When cdrtools have been 100% GPL, it was > > attacked > > by Debian _because_ it was 100% GPL and because the GPL is a frequently > > missinterpreted license. > > > > ...so I decided to choose a less problematic license than the GPL. > > > > > sof

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Hello Joerg, On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 18:09:10 +0200 Joerg Schilling wrote: > Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > > So if you want your software to be used by the majority of Linux > > distros without license-related hiccups, you can always just re-license > > it to GPL and everyone will be happy. > > Yo

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Marko Vojinovic wrote: > So if you want your software to be used by the majority of Linux > distros without license-related hiccups, you can always just re-license > it to GPL and everyone will be happy. You seem to be missinformed: When cdrtools have been 100% GPL, it was attacked by Debian _b

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:25:23 +0200 Joerg Schilling wrote: > John R Pierce wrote: > > The allegation was that some of it is CDDL, which is problematic. > > The CDDL was accepted as definitely OSS compliant by bopensource.org > within 14 days and without to mention problems. > > The GPL did take

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work... cdfs?

ken wrote: > Then too of course there'd need to be a way to ascertain if there was > any substantial differences in the outputs. There's some code out there > since kernel version 2.2 called cdfs which doesn't seem to be on my > (v.5.9) system. This allows mounting an audio CD or a disk imag

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

John R Pierce wrote: > On 8/20/2013 1:47 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Reindl Harald wrote: > > > >>> > >Please do not write false claims! > >> > > >> >says the one on his fight against Linux and GNU since years > > Do you like to prove that you cannot stay with the truth? > > Is your code and

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

ken wrote: > Keith, > > I was wondering if anyone would notice. Thanks. what problem do you have? You have been pointed to compile and install recent original software. Did you do that? Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-b

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

ken wrote: > On 08/20/2013 04:57 AM Joerg Schilling wrote: > > As mentioned before: I deliver something that compiles and runs out of the > > box > > on aprox. 30 OS platforms (not counting the CPU and OS-version variants). > > It is not my duty to deliver binary packages for more than 100 OS/CP

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

ken wrote: > On 08/20/2013 04:57 AM Joerg Schilling wrote: > > I told him that if his distro does not do it's homework, he needs to compile > > himself. The URL is in my signature and in contrary to many autoconf based > > sources, my software compiles out if the box by just calling "make". > > J

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work... cdfs?

On 08/20/2013 10:33 PM Keith Keller wrote: > On 2013-08-20, ken wrote: >> >> Will the many apps which depend upon the existing code-- e.g., grip, >> k3b, gnome-cd-- still work after installing your software? > > You can install Joerg's version to someplace separate, like /usr/local, > then test th

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On 2013-08-20, ken wrote: > > Will the many apps which depend upon the existing code-- e.g., grip, > k3b, gnome-cd-- still work after installing your software? You can install Joerg's version to someplace separate, like /usr/local, then test those dependent apps against the /usr/local version.

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On 8/20/2013 1:47 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Reindl Harald wrote: > >>> > >Please do not write false claims! >> > >> >says the one on his fight against Linux and GNU since years > Do you like to prove that you cannot stay with the truth? Is your code and its dependencies entirely GPL licensed?

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Keith, I was wondering if anyone would notice. Thanks. ken (the OP) On 08/19/2013 07:38 PM Keith Keller wrote: > On 2013-08-19, Joerg Schilling wrote: >> If you know about problems, send evidence > > The problem seems to be that you would rather rant about distributions' > licensing and packag

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On 08/20/2013 04:57 AM Joerg Schilling wrote: > As mentioned before: I deliver something that compiles and runs out of the box > on aprox. 30 OS platforms (not counting the CPU and OS-version variants). > It is not my duty to deliver binary packages for more than 100 OS/CPU > variants. > > Jörg W

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On 08/20/2013 04:57 AM Joerg Schilling wrote: > I told him that if his distro does not do it's homework, he needs to compile > himself. The URL is in my signature and in contrary to many autoconf based > sources, my software compiles out if the box by just calling "make". Joerg, Wouldn't doing th

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Alexander Dalloz wrote: > If there is a problem with a software package provided by CentOS (base / > updates), then it can only be solved if a ticket and case is opened with > the upstream dsitribution as CentOS just rebuilds what Red Hat offers in > their RHEL package set. There have been more

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Am 20.08.2013 10:47, schrieb Joerg Schilling: > Reindl Harald wrote: > >>> Please do not write false claims! >> >> says the one on his fight against Linux and GNU since years > > Do you like to prove that you cannot stay with the truth? > > You also wrote a false claim. > > Jörg Can we stop t

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Keith Keller wrote: > On 2013-08-19, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > If you know about problems, send evidence > > The problem seems to be that you would rather rant about distributions' > licensing and packaging decisions than help the OP. It seems like he > would be perfectly happy to use your ver

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Reindl Harald wrote: > > Please do not write false claims! > > says the one on his fight against Linux and GNU since years Do you like to prove that you cannot stay with the truth? You also wrote a false claim. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Be

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On 2013-08-19, Joerg Schilling wrote: > If you know about problems, send evidence The problem seems to be that you would rather rant about distributions' licensing and packaging decisions than help the OP. It seems like he would be perfectly happy to use your version of cdrtools, yet you insist

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > >> >> This isn't aimed at you personally, but the reason people like >> RHEL/CentOS is that the 'no known bugs' status of a developer's >> software release often turns pretty quickly into 'bugs with no known >> fix' when they hit a wider di

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Keith Keller wrote: > On 2013-08-19, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > > Redhat had more than 100 bugs filed against the "cdrtools" version they > > ship. > > All these bugs could be avoided by upgrading to a recent original version. > > Redhat closed these unfixed bugs instead of doing it's homewo

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > > maybe you do not know who Joerg Schilling is > > > > he is the one person claiming he is the only one writing a > > working cd-burning software on earth and his fights against > > GPL and Linux are legend over th

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Joerg Schilling > wrote: > > >> >> > Would you like to run a Linux kernel from 2004 today? > >> > >> Has the CD format changed since 2004? > > > > This is why you are happy with buggy software from 2004 shipped by redhat > > when > > there

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On 2013-08-19, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Redhat had more than 100 bugs filed against the "cdrtools" version they ship. > All these bugs could be avoided by upgrading to a recent original version. > Redhat closed these unfixed bugs instead of doing it's homework that would > result in updated ve

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > maybe you do not know who Joerg Schilling is > > he is the one person claiming he is the only one writing a > working cd-burning software on earth and his fights against > GPL and Linux are legend over the years > > http://lwn.net/Articles/

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote: >> >> > Would you like to run a Linux kernel from 2004 today? >> >> Has the CD format changed since 2004? > > This is why you are happy with buggy software from 2004 shipped by redhat when > there is software with no known bugs? This isn't

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Joerg Schilling > wrote: > > > > >> > Would you like to run a Linux kernel from 2004 today? > > Has the CD format changed since 2004? This is why you are happy with buggy software from 2004 shipped by redhat when there is software with no

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > >> > Would you like to run a Linux kernel from 2004 today? Has the CD format changed since 2004? > In other words, you either choose a distro that offers up to date packages or > you need to compile yourself. I'm sure you realize that

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

ken wrote: > > There is nothing like: cdrtools-2.01-10.7.el5 > > [cdrtools-2.01-10.7.el5 ist einmalig???] > > You're saying this is the preferred package, yes? and it will have the > functionality needed? If yes and yes, where does one get that package? > > Note that my rpm command output abov

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On 08/19/2013 09:58 AM Joerg Schilling wrote: > ken wrote: > >>> If you are using this bad fork that is from September 2004 - 9 years ago, >>> you >>> suffer from many problems, like incomplete documentation and many bugs that >>> cannot be found in the original software. >> >> cdrecord and read

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

ken wrote: > > If you are using this bad fork that is from September 2004 - 9 years ago, > > you > > suffer from many problems, like incomplete documentation and many bugs that > > cannot be found in the original software. > > cdrecord and readcd are both part of this package: > > $ rpm -qi cdr

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

On 08/18/2013 04:13 PM Joerg Schilling wrote: > ken wrote: > >> Thanks for your reply. As late as November 2012 I always used the CLI >> for copying *data* CDs, using cdrecord and readcd. But though I read >> and studied manpages and scads of documentation, I never had any luck >> cloning a musi

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

ken wrote: > Thanks for your reply. As late as November 2012 I always used the CLI > for copying *data* CDs, using cdrecord and readcd. But though I read > and studied manpages and scads of documentation, I never had any luck > cloning a music CD using these commands. So I'd doubt I could f

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

n 08/17/2013 05:29 PM Joerg Schilling wrote: > ken wrote: > >> Copying a CD with k3b is no problem, except I want to include on my copy >> the cbbd data (from freedb.org). I've configured k3b's cddb section >> according to instructions at >> and read every

Re: [CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

ken wrote: > Copying a CD with k3b is no problem, except I want to include on my copy > the cbbd data (from freedb.org). I've configured k3b's cddb section > according to instructions at > and read every article google could find about "k3b cddb freedb

[CentOS] k3b -> cddb doesn't work

Copying a CD with k3b is no problem, except I want to include on my copy the cbbd data (from freedb.org). I've configured k3b's cddb section according to instructions at and read every article google could find about "k3b cddb freedb.org config", but st