Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-09-01 Thread Christopher Chan
>> You know what, let me try just that today, I have a new install to do, so >> I'll try pre-creating a RAID10 on install and report back. First I'll try >> layered MD devices and then I'll try creating a RAID10 md device and we'll >> see if it can even boot off them. >> > > Ok, I verified th

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-09-01 Thread Ross Walker
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > > I would NOT do that. You should like the md layer handle all things raid > and let lvm do just volume management. Your under the asumption that they are two different systems. >>> >>> You're under the assumpti

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-09-01 Thread Ross Walker
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Ross Walker wrote: > On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Christopher Chan > wrote: > >> Ross Walker wrote: >>> >>> Problem is the install program doesn't support setting up RAID10 or >>> layered MD devices. >>> >> Oh? I have worked around it before even in the RH9 days. Ju

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-09-01 Thread Chan Chung Hang Christopher
I would NOT do that. You should like the md layer handle all things raid and let lvm do just volume management. >>> Your under the asumption that they are two different systems. >>> >>> >> You're under the assumption that they are not. >> > > http://en

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-09-01 Thread Ross Walker
On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: > Ross Walker wrote: >> On Aug 30, 2009, at 10:33 PM, Christopher Chan >> >> wrote: >> >> >> How would one setup RAID 1+0 (i.e. 2x mirror'ed RAID1's and >> then a >> RAID 0 on top of it) on say CentOS 4.6 ? >> >> > Se

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-31 Thread Christopher Chan
> But note that drive capacity has gone up too, often eliminating the need > for many-disk arrays. For example, you can go up to 2TB on a single > drive, so a simple RAID1 mirror may be all you need, and if you can > arrange the mount points to match the use pattern you may get better > perfo

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-31 Thread Christopher Chan
Ross Walker wrote: > On Aug 30, 2009, at 10:33 PM, Christopher Chan > > wrote: > > > How would one setup RAID 1+0 (i.e. 2x mirror'ed RAID1's and then a > RAID 0 on top of it) on say CentOS 4.6 ? > > Setup both RAID-1 arrays then stripe them with LVM?

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-31 Thread nate
Les Mikesell wrote: > But note that drive capacity has gone up too, often eliminating the need > for many-disk arrays. For example, you can go up to 2TB on a single > drive, so a simple RAID1 mirror may be all you need, and if you can > arrange the mount points to match the use pattern you may ge

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-31 Thread Ross Walker
On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:13 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: >> >> Oh sorry, I have never argued about eight drive systems years ago >> (didn't have them then, too poor) and there is no argument about >> raid1+0 >> being the way to do it beyond four drives. It is too

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-31 Thread Ross Walker
On Aug 30, 2009, at 10:33 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: > How would one setup RAID 1+0 (i.e. 2x mirror'ed RAID1's and then a RAID 0 on top of it) on say CentOS 4.6 ? >>> Setup both RAID-1 arrays then stripe them with LVM? >>> >>> http://www.redhat.com/magazine/009jul05/features/lvm

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-31 Thread Les Mikesell
Rudi Ahlers wrote: > > I'm installing Openfiler 2.3, which looks very very similar to the > CentOS installer. My reason for RAID 1+0 (like I said it doesn't > support RAID10) is for the higher level of redundancy & speed, and I > would like to utilize the drives to their max, Note that the 'speed

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-31 Thread Les Mikesell
Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > > Oh sorry, I have never argued about eight drive systems years ago > (didn't have them then, too poor) and there is no argument about raid1+0 > being the way to do it beyond four drives. It is too obvious that > stripping three drives and then mirroring the

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-31 Thread Chan Chung Hang Christopher
Miguel Medalha wrote: >>> You might be interested in this article: >>> >>> "Why is RAID 1+0 better than RAID 0+1?" >>> http://aput.net/~jheiss/raid10/ >>> >>> >>> >> The whole raid1+0 or raid0+1 argument was really only relevant in the >> days of pata when one disk dying on one chan

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-31 Thread Miguel Medalha
>> You might be interested in this article: >> >> "Why is RAID 1+0 better than RAID 0+1?" >> http://aput.net/~jheiss/raid10/ >> >> > > > The whole raid1+0 or raid0+1 argument was really only relevant in the > days of pata when one disk dying on one channel might take out the other > disk

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Christopher Chan
Oliver Ransom wrote: > On 31/08/2009, at 1:11 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: > > >> Miguel Medalha wrote: >> Can someone please assist met with some software RAID 1+0 setup instructions? I have searched the web, but couldn't find any. I found a lot of RAID 10 setup instru

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Oliver Ransom
On 31/08/2009, at 1:11 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: > Miguel Medalha wrote: >>> Can someone please assist met with some software RAID 1+0 setup >>> instructions? I have searched the web, but couldn't find any. I >>> found >>> a lot of RAID 10 setup instructions, but it doesn't help me. >>> >>> >

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Christopher Chan
Miguel Medalha wrote: >> Can someone please assist met with some software RAID 1+0 setup >> instructions? I have searched the web, but couldn't find any. I found >> a lot of RAID 10 setup instructions, but it doesn't help me. >> >> > > As Oliver Ransom replied to you, RAID 1+0 (not to be co

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Christopher Chan
>>> How would one setup RAID 1+0 (i.e. 2x mirror'ed RAID1's and then a >>> RAID 0 on top of it) on say CentOS 4.6 ? >>> >> Setup both RAID-1 arrays then stripe them with LVM? >> >> http://www.redhat.com/magazine/009jul05/features/lvm2/ >> >> Though I'd prefer to opt for a hardware raid card

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 3:12 AM, nate wrote: > Rudi Ahlers wrote: > >> How would one setup RAID 1+0 (i.e. 2x mirror'ed RAID1's and then a >> RAID 0 on top of it) on say CentOS 4.6 ? > > Setup both RAID-1 arrays then stripe them with LVM? > > http://www.redhat.com/magazine/009jul05/features/lvm2/ >

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > Rudi Ahlers wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Miguel Medalha wrote: Then maybe there is something wrong with your partitioning scheme or even physical layout. What drives do you have and how are they partitioned? How ar

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread nate
Rudi Ahlers wrote: > How would one setup RAID 1+0 (i.e. 2x mirror'ed RAID1's and then a > RAID 0 on top of it) on say CentOS 4.6 ? Setup both RAID-1 arrays then stripe them with LVM? http://www.redhat.com/magazine/009jul05/features/lvm2/ Though I'd prefer to opt for a hardware raid card, I thin

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Les Mikesell
Rudi Ahlers wrote: > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Miguel Medalha wrote: >>> Then maybe there is something wrong with your partitioning scheme or >>> even physical layout. What drives do you have and how are they >>> partitioned? How are they physically connected? >>> >> I beg your pardon, I did

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Miguel Medalha
> There is no option to setup RAID 10. > > > But, let's get back to my previous request, > > How would one setup RAID 1+0 (i.e. 2x mirror'ed RAID1's and then a > RAID 0 on top of it) on say CentOS 4.6 ? > > There is no option to setup RAID 10 because you are trying to create an unsupported co

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Miguel Medalha
> I don't know if this makes sense, but to get their RAID10, I first > need to install it, then use the web interface to setup RAID 10. > Instead I would like to have openfiler running on the RAID 10 setup as > well. > I don't think that you have a significant gain by doing so. Aren't you bei

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Les Mikesell
Rudi Ahlers wrote: > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Miguel Medalha wrote: >>> This page from openfiler.com clearly states the following: >>> >>> "Openfiler supports RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 6 and RAID 10." >>> >>> http://www.openfiler.com/products/openfiler-architecture >>> >> The page even s

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Miguel Medalha wrote: > >> Then maybe there is something wrong with your partitioning scheme or >> even physical layout. What drives do you have and how are they >> partitioned? How are they physically connected? >> > > I beg your pardon, I didn't see your previous

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Miguel Medalha wrote: > >> Yet, I can't setup the RAID 10 they talk about, I only have RAID0, >> RAID1, RAID5 & RAID6 in the setup options, which is why I'm thinking >> of doing this another way. >> > > Then maybe there is something wrong with your partitioning sche

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Miguel Medalha
> Then maybe there is something wrong with your partitioning scheme or > even physical layout. What drives do you have and how are they > partitioned? How are they physically connected? > I beg your pardon, I didn't see your previous post with the above information. At this point, I think

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Miguel Medalha wrote: > >> This page from openfiler.com clearly states the following: >> >> "Openfiler supports RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 6 and RAID 10." >> >> http://www.openfiler.com/products/openfiler-architecture >> > > The page even shows the dialog box to c

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Miguel Medalha
> Yet, I can't setup the RAID 10 they talk about, I only have RAID0, > RAID1, RAID5 & RAID6 in the setup options, which is why I'm thinking > of doing this another way. > Then maybe there is something wrong with your partitioning scheme or even physical layout. What drives do you have and how

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Miguel Medalha
> This page from openfiler.com clearly states the following: > > "Openfiler supports RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 6 and RAID 10." > > http://www.openfiler.com/products/openfiler-architecture > The page even shows the dialog box to create a RAID 10 group! ___

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Miguel Medalha wrote: > This page from openfiler.com clearly states the following: > > "Openfiler supports RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 6 and RAID 10." > > http://www.openfiler.com/products/openfiler-architecture > ___ > C

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Miguel Medalha
This page from openfiler.com clearly states the following: "Openfiler supports RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 6 and RAID 10." http://www.openfiler.com/products/openfiler-architecture ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailma

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Miguel Medalha wrote: > >> Although they work, and do the same, the installer CD & mdadm needs to >> support it. The specific appliance that I want to install, doesn't >> support RAID 10, so I need to install RAID 1 + RAID 0, i.e. setting 2x >> RAID 1 mirrors, and t

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Jerry Franz wrote: > Rudi Ahlers wrote: >> Hi Oliver, >> It's not the same thing :) >> Although they work, and do the same, the installer CD & mdadm needs to >> support it. The specific appliance that I want to install, doesn't >> support RAID 10, so I need to insta

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Miguel Medalha
> Although they work, and do the same, the installer CD & mdadm needs to > support it. The specific appliance that I want to install, doesn't > support RAID 10, so I need to install RAID 1 + RAID 0, i.e. setting 2x > RAID 1 mirrors, and then stripe then in RAID0 - but once the first 1 > mirrors ar

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Jerry Franz
Rudi Ahlers wrote: > Hi Oliver, > It's not the same thing :) > Although they work, and do the same, the installer CD & mdadm needs to > support it. The specific appliance that I want to install, doesn't > support RAID 10, so I need to install RAID 1 + RAID 0, i.e. setting 2x > RAID 1 mirrors, and t

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Rudi Ahlers
2009/8/30 Götz Reinicke : > Rudi Ahlers schrieb: >> Hi, >> >> Can someone please assist met with some software RAID 1+0 setup >> instructions? I have searched the web, but couldn't find any. I found >> a lot of RAID 10 setup instructions, but it doesn't help me. >> > Hi, > > what is your purpose wi

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Oliver Ransom wrote: > On 31/08/2009, at 1:18 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Can someone please assist met with some software RAID 1+0 setup >> instructions? I have searched the web, but couldn't find any. I found >> a lot of RAID 10 setup instructions, but i

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread John R Pierce
Götz Reinicke wrote: > Level 5 is the best concerning performance/capacity. > raid-5 performs very poorly on random writes, common to database servers. it also has long rebuild times which increases the possibility of a double fault. ___ CentOS

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Les Mikesell
Götz Reinicke wrote: > >> I am using software RAID 10 with CentOS 5.3 and I surely did see a >> *huge* performance increase with RAID 10 compared to RAID 1 only. > > I tested 1+0 vers 0+1 vers 5 on the 3ware, the sun build in raid system > and using softwareraid on an other (older) server. > >

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Ross Walker
On Aug 30, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Götz Reinicke wrote: > Miguel Medalha schrieb: >>> what is your purpose with this Level? I'm asking because I had >>> done some >>> raid level tests some time ago with hardware raid controllers/ >>> systems >>> from 3ware, sun and iscsi-raidsystems and some softwar

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Götz Reinicke
Miguel Medalha schrieb: >> what is your purpose with this Level? I'm asking because I had done some >> raid level tests some time ago with hardware raid controllers/systems >> from 3ware, sun and iscsi-raidsystems and some softwareraid setups. >> > > The purpose of using RAID 10 is, of course

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Miguel Medalha
> what is your purpose with this Level? I'm asking because I had done some > raid level tests some time ago with hardware raid controllers/systems > from 3ware, sun and iscsi-raidsystems and some softwareraid setups. > The purpose of using RAID 10 is, of course, performance coupled with ful

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Götz Reinicke
Rudi Ahlers schrieb: > Hi, > > Can someone please assist met with some software RAID 1+0 setup > instructions? I have searched the web, but couldn't find any. I found > a lot of RAID 10 setup instructions, but it doesn't help me. > Hi, what is your purpose with this Level? I'm asking because I h

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Miguel Medalha
> Can someone please assist met with some software RAID 1+0 setup > instructions? I have searched the web, but couldn't find any. I found > a lot of RAID 10 setup instructions, but it doesn't help me. > As Oliver Ransom replied to you, RAID 1+0 (not to be confused with RAID 0+1) is RAID 10. m

Re: [CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Oliver Ransom
On 31/08/2009, at 1:18 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: > Hi, > > Can someone please assist met with some software RAID 1+0 setup > instructions? I have searched the web, but couldn't find any. I found > a lot of RAID 10 setup instructions, but it doesn't help me. Hi Rudi RAID 10 and RAID 1+0 are the same

[CentOS] looking for RAID 1+0 setup instructions?

2009-08-30 Thread Rudi Ahlers
Hi, Can someone please assist met with some software RAID 1+0 setup instructions? I have searched the web, but couldn't find any. I found a lot of RAID 10 setup instructions, but it doesn't help me. -- Kind Regards Rudi Ahlers CEO, SoftDux Hosting Web: http://www.SoftDux.com Office: 087 805 9573