On Sep 17, 2010, at 3:39 AM, "Robert P. J. Day" wrote:
>
> (note: i asked this a few days ago but it *appears* that that post
> was tossed due to getting excessive bounces from my account. so i'm
> posting it again, apologies if you're seeing it a second time.)
>
> over the next several wee
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Robert P. J. Day
wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Eduardo Grosclaude wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Robert P. J. Day
>> wrote:
>>
>> > p.s. one stupendously trivial idea i had was to give each student
>> > a cheap USB drive and use that as the vehicl
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> To: CentOS mailing list
> From: Robert P. J. Day
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] looking for cool,
> post-install things to do on a centos 5.5 system
>
>
> i'm not ignoring all of the suggestions so far (i'm taking n
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Eduardo Grosclaude wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Robert P. J. Day
> wrote:
>
> > p.s. one stupendously trivial idea i had was to give each student
> > a cheap USB drive and use that as the vehicle for playing with
> > filesystem utilities. with an $8 2G drive,
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> p.s. one stupendously trivial idea i had was to give each student a
> cheap USB drive and use that as the vehicle for playing with
> filesystem utilities. with an $8 2G drive, i can demonstrate concepts
> like hotplugging, udev, LVM and
On 17/09/2010 13:41, Les Mikesell wrote:
> Oh - and how to install and use freenx/NX for remote access.
And how about Serial Over LAN using IPMI if your kit supports it? Very
useful is you've broken things... (speaking from experience :-)
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i'm not ignoring all of the suggestions so far (i'm taking note of
all of them) but as rp herrold suggests, a lot of this is getting
pretty far afield, so let me drag this back on-topic.
i'm looking for cool things that can be added into a very generic
5-day course in basic RHEL (centos) admi
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
> Has anyone ever standardized a way to do this that will work across more
> than a few platforms? I've always thought there should be a way to at
> least make a subversion repository holding copies of all of /etc of all
> of your machines where similar ho
On 9/17/2010 3:36 PM, R P Herrold wrote:
>
>> Agreed that it's good to know how - but 'there isn't any rpm' should
>> really mean there isn't any rpm at any well-maintained location, not
>> just in the base system or that you didn't bother to look. Every time
>> you build something yourself you ar
Les Mikesell wrote:
> On 9/17/2010 3:30 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>
>>> All I'm saying is that it often turns out to be a whole lot more work
>>> than the initial 'configure, make, make install', so you either have to
>>> train the users to do their own copies in their own space so it will
>>> s
On 9/17/2010 3:30 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>
>> All I'm saying is that it often turns out to be a whole lot more work
>> than the initial 'configure, make, make install', so you either have to
>> train the users to do their own copies in their own space so it will
>> scale, or be very careful ab
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
> Agreed that it's good to know how - but 'there isn't any rpm' should
> really mean there isn't any rpm at any well-maintained location, not
> just in the base system or that you didn't bother to look. Every time
> you build something yourself you are tak
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
[snip]
> I've keyed configuration repositories to HOSTNAME before (and still do
> for very small installations), but over the long haul I've found
> the service-keyed repository more to my liking. In particular,
> cfengine makes it easy to work
Les Mikesell wrote:
> On 9/17/2010 3:08 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed that it's good to know how - but 'there isn't any rpm' should
>>> really mean there isn't any rpm at any well-maintained location, not
>>> just in the base system or that you didn't bother to look. Every time
>>> you
On 9/17/2010 3:08 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>
>> Agreed that it's good to know how - but 'there isn't any rpm' should
>> really mean there isn't any rpm at any well-maintained location, not
>> just in the base system or that you didn't bother to look. Every time
>> you build something yourself y
On 9/17/2010 3:01 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
>
>>
>> And their utterly inadequate tools.
>
> LDAP's, or AD's? Our Windows admin teaches mixed martial arts as a
> sideline, so I don't argue too much with him. :)
>
> All kidding aside, to the OP, though it's not a cool thing--it's one of
> the crummy
Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 03:34:58PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Scott Robbins wrote:
>
>> And their utterly inadequate tools.
>
> LDAP's, or AD's? Our Windows admin teaches mixed martial arts as a
> sideline, so I don't argue too much with him. :)
openLDAP.
>
> All k
Les Mikesell wrote:
> On 9/17/2010 2:15 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>
How to download, md5sum check, unpack, configure and
compile a GPL *.tar.gz package.
As SysAdmin that's something they will need to do sooner or
later :)
>>>
>>> But it's much more important to know all
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
> Agreed that it's good to know how - but 'there isn't any rpm' should
> really mean there isn't any rpm at any well-maintained location, not
> just in the base system or that you didn't bother to look. Every
> time you build something yourself you are tak
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:39 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
> logging utilities? intrusion detection? monitoring? anything that
> leaps to mind that i can use to fill up a few more hours. i'm already
> thinking of showing how to build and boot a new kernel. other ideas?
> thanks.
Cacti, pmac
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 03:34:58PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Scott Robbins wrote:
> >
> > Heh--well, since I've written my own page on it, it's gotten better. RH
> > didn't help by making some undocumented changes, but once again, the
> > CentOS folks got it documented.
>
> I did have some
On 9/17/2010 2:15 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>
>>> How to download, md5sum check, unpack, configure and
>>> compile a GPL *.tar.gz package.
>>>
>>> As SysAdmin that's something they will need to do sooner or
>>> later :)
>>
>> But it's much more important to know all the reasons *not* to do that
>
On 9/17/2010 2:12 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>
> You, on the other hand, remind me of Larry Wall, who popped into
> comp.lang.awk around '93 or '94, and rather than try to help someone solve
> his awk problem, tried to get him to rewrite it into perl
I'll take that as a compliment. Larry has
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Kwan Lowe wrote:
> My general method is to keep a CVS committed directory somewhere on
> the root filesystem with all configurations. Then I symlink the
> tracked files back to that repository. For example:
>
> /etc/hosts --> /configs/HOSTNAME/etc/hosts
> /etc/syslog.conf
On 9/17/2010 2:07 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
>
Oh - and how to install and use freenx/NX for remote access.
>>>
>>> h ... good idea. or i might just add in VNC and carry over the
>>> freenx to an additional course dealing with networking/remote
>>> admin/etc. thanks.
>>
>> I'd guess th
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
> To: centos@centos.org
> From: Les Mikesell
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] looking for cool,
> post-install things to do on a centos 5.5 system
>
> On 9/17/2010 1:21 PM, Keith Roberts wrote:
>>
>>>> How to download,
Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 03:18:23PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Scott Robbins wrote:
>> >> >> Oh - and how to install and use freenx/NX for remote access.
>
>> > And then, you can give them one of the more important Linux lessons.
>> > Let them install FreeNX, go to the
On 09/17/10 12:12 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> You, on the other hand, remind me of Larry Wall, who popped into
> comp.lang.awk around '93 or '94, and rather than try to help someone solve
> his awk problem, tried to get him to rewrite it into perl
>
>
well, not all problems are nails, even
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 03:18:23PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Scott Robbins wrote:
> >> >> Oh - and how to install and use freenx/NX for remote access.
> >> >
> >
> > And then, you can give them one of the more important Linux lessons.
> > Let them install FreeNX, go to the website and see
Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 08:18:38AM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> On 9/17/10 7:51 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>> > On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> >
>> >> Oh - and how to install and use freenx/NX for remote access.
>> >
>> >h ... good idea. or i might jus
Les Mikesell wrote:
> On 9/17/2010 1:06 PM, Keith Roberts wrote:
>> How to download, md5sum check, unpack, configure and
>> compile a GPL *.tar.gz package.
>>
>> As SysAdmin that's something they will need to do sooner or
>> later :)
>
> But it's much more important to know all the reasons *not* t
Les Mikesell wrote:
> On 9/17/2010 12:45 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>
>>> I don't get it. Why wouldn't you just talk to the db directly with
>>> perl's dbi/dbd, replacing both the awk and C parts? I do that all the
>>> time. Or was that before dbi - or the dbd you needed?
>>
>> Mike, you reall
On 9/17/2010 10:52 AM, John Kennedy wrote:
>
> It's all about picking the right tool for the job. Python is good for
> some things, perl for others, awk for still different things...
> It is the beauty of Linux...
But there are things a beginner won't know when making this choice -
like the limit
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 08:18:38AM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On 9/17/10 7:51 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
> >
> >> Oh - and how to install and use freenx/NX for remote access.
> >
> >h ... good idea. or i might just add in VNC and carry over t
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
> I know the OP asked for "cool" things to do, but I'll add my vote to
> those who suggested highlighting configuration management. I'm not
> sure how much puppet or cfengine you teach in a half-day, but I'm
> fairly confident you could cover:
On 9/17/2010 1:21 PM, Keith Roberts wrote:
>
>>> How to download, md5sum check, unpack, configure and
>>> compile a GPL *.tar.gz package.
>>>
>>> As SysAdmin that's something they will need to do sooner or
>>> later :)
>>
>> But it's much more important to know all the reasons *not* to do that
>> e
On 9/17/2010 10:14 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
> I know the OP asked for "cool" things to do, but I'll add my vote to
> those who suggested highlighting configuration management. I'm not
> sure how much puppet or cfengine you teach in a half-day, but I'm
> fairly confident you could cover:
>
>1. c
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
> To: centos@centos.org
> From: Les Mikesell
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] looking for cool,
> post-install things to do on a centos 5.5 system
>
> On 9/17/2010 1:06 PM, Keith Roberts wrote:
>>
>>>> i've alrea
On 9/17/2010 12:58 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Jim Wildman wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>>
>>> i've already added a section on EPEL, just so i can install
>>> things like git. and i know there's an entire page at centos.org
>>> on extra repos.
On 9/17/2010 1:06 PM, Keith Roberts wrote:
>
>>> i've already added a section on EPEL, just so i can install things
>>> like git. and i know there's an entire page at centos.org on extra
>>> repos. any there that you *particularly* recommend? i'll revisit
>>> that page later today but i'm thin
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On 9/17/2010 12:45 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>
>>> I don't get it. Why wouldn't you just talk to the db directly with
>>> perl's dbi/dbd, replacing both the awk and C parts? I do that all the
>>> time. Or was that before dbi - or the dbd
On 9/17/2010 12:45 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>
>> I don't get it. Why wouldn't you just talk to the db directly with
>> perl's dbi/dbd, replacing both the awk and C parts? I do that all the
>> time. Or was that before dbi - or the dbd you needed?
>
> Mike, you really aren't reading all of what
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Jim Wildman wrote:
> To: CentOS mailing list
> From: Jim Wildman
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] looking for cool,
> post-install things to do on a centos 5.5 system
>
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
>> i've already added
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Jim Wildman wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
> > i've already added a section on EPEL, just so i can install
> > things like git. and i know there's an entire page at centos.org
> > on extra repos. any there that you *particularly* recommend?
> > i'll
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> So, what's the longest awk scripts you've ever written, Mike? It works
> wonderfully well for what it was intended - and mostly, I use it for
> reports or data conversion.
>
Upwards of 1000 lines..back in the 90's.
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> i've already added a section on EPEL, just so i can install things
> like git. and i know there's an entire page at centos.org on extra
> repos. any there that you *particularly* recommend? i'll revisit
> that page later today but i'm thinking tha
Les Mikesell wrote:
> On 9/17/2010 10:47 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>
>> Ah, no. I wrote 30 scripts around '91-'92 to take datafiles from 30
>> sources and reformat them, to feed to the C program I'd written with
>> embedded sql, in place of the d/b's sqlloader (*bleah*). Then, 11 years
>> ago, I
On 9/17/2010 10:47 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>
> Ah, no. I wrote 30 scripts around '91-'92 to take datafiles from 30
> sources and reformat them, to feed to the C program I'd written with
> embedded sql, in place of the d/b's sqlloader (*bleah*). Then, 11 years
> ago, I wrote a validation program
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> To: CentOS mailing list
> From: Robert P. J. Day
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] looking for cool,
> post-install things to do on a centos 5.5 system
>
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
>
>> On 9/17/2010 8:24
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:47, wrote:
> Ah, no. I wrote 30 scripts around '91-'92 to take datafiles from 30
> sources and reformat them, to feed to the C program I'd written with
> embedded sql, in place of the d/b's sqlloader (*bleah*). Then, 11 years
> ago, I wrote a validation program for data
Les Mikesell wrote:
> On 9/17/2010 10:12 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Les Mikesell wrote:
>>> On 9/17/2010 8:24 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Proper scripting abilities are perhaps beyond reach for a short
> course, but you could at least show off some one-liners or those
> short
On 9/17/2010 10:12 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>> On 9/17/2010 8:24 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>>
Proper scripting abilities are perhaps beyond reach for a short
course, but you could at least show off some one-liners or those
short, stunningly useful examples
On 9/17/2010 10:02 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
Proper scripting abilities are perhaps beyond reach for a short
course, but you could at least show off some one-liners or those
short, stunningly useful examples to help them get the idea that
they definitely should get their fee
Brunner, Brian T. wrote:
>> > over the next several weeks, i'm teaching some courses in
>> > RHEL admin but (unsurprisingly) i'll be using centos 5.5.
>> > it's a decently-written, 3rd party course, all the generic,
>> > standard admin topics but it does leave me about a 1/2 day
>> > to throw in
I know the OP asked for "cool" things to do, but I'll add my vote to
those who suggested highlighting configuration management. I'm not
sure how much puppet or cfengine you teach in a half-day, but I'm
fairly confident you could cover:
1. considering configuration files to be code -- it needs
Les Mikesell wrote:
> On 9/17/2010 8:24 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>
>>> Proper scripting abilities are perhaps beyond reach for a short
>>> course, but you could at least show off some one-liners or those
>>> short, stunningly useful examples to help them get the idea that they
>>> definitely sh
> > over the next several weeks, i'm teaching some courses in
> > RHEL admin but (unsurprisingly) i'll be using centos 5.5.
> > it's a decently-written, 3rd party course, all the generic,
> > standard admin topics but it does leave me about a 1/2 day
> > to throw in any cool stuff i want to
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On 9/17/2010 8:24 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> >
> >> Proper scripting abilities are perhaps beyond reach for a short
> >> course, but you could at least show off some one-liners or those
> >> short, stunningly useful examples to help them get the idea t
On 9/17/2010 8:24 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>
>> Proper scripting abilities are perhaps beyond reach for a short
>> course, but you could at least show off some one-liners or those
>> short, stunningly useful examples to help them get the idea that they
>> definitely should get their feet wet on
On 9/17/2010 8:18 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>
>> h ... good idea. or i might just add in VNC and carry over the
>> freenx to an additional course dealing with networking/remote
>> admin/etc. thanks.
>
> I'd guess that for most people starting with linux, freenx with NX running on
> their ex
On 09/17/2010 03:39 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>(note: i asked this a few days ago but it *appears* that that post
> was tossed due to getting excessive bounces from my account. so i'm
> posting it again, apologies if you're seeing it a second time.)
>
>over the next several weeks, i'm t
Eduardo Grosclaude wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Robert P. J. Day
> wrote:
>> logging utilities? intrusion detection? monitoring? anything that
>> leaps to mind that i can use to fill up a few more hours. i'm already
>> thinking of showing how to build and boot a new kernel. othe
On 9/17/10 7:51 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
>
>> I'd consider the most valuable things to know about would be the
>> nature of an assortment of 3rd party yum repositories (i.e. EPEL
>> makes an effort not to overwrite core packages but probably won't
>> ha
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> logging utilities? intrusion detection? monitoring? anything that
> leaps to mind that i can use to fill up a few more hours. i'm already
> thinking of showing how to build and boot a new kernel. other ideas?
> thanks.
If your stude
On 17/09/10 08:39, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
>(note: i asked this a few days ago but it *appears* that that post
> was tossed due to getting excessive bounces from my account. so i'm
> posting it again, apologies if you're seeing it a second time.)
>
>over the next several weeks, i'm teac
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
> I'd consider the most valuable things to know about would be the
> nature of an assortment of 3rd party yum repositories (i.e. EPEL
> makes an effort not to overwrite core packages but probably won't
> have everything you want), how to find and install th
On 9/17/10 2:39 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
>(note: i asked this a few days ago but it *appears* that that post
> was tossed due to getting excessive bounces from my account. so i'm
> posting it again, apologies if you're seeing it a second time.)
>
>over the next several weeks, i'm tea
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
>
> logging utilities? intrusion detection? monitoring? anything that
> leaps to mind that i can use to fill up a few more hours. i'm already
> thinking of showing how to build and boot a new kernel. other ideas?
> thanks.
sysadmins
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Keith Roberts wrote:
> Adding Multimedia capabilities
>
> Using SQLite3 from the command line
> Creating a Database
> Creating and populating a table
> Selecting, inserting, updating and deleting data in the
> database
>
> Remote login sessions using ssh -X
>
> Intro t
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> To: CentOS discussion list
> From: Robert P. J. Day
> Subject: [CentOS] looking for cool,
> post-install things to do on a centos 5.5 system
>
> ...
>
> over the next several weeks, i'm teaching som
From: Robert P. J. Day
> so, any recommendations for neat things that people here have done
> in the way of what can be added to or configured on a centos server
> system? the course covers all the standard topics -- installation,
> package management, service management, filesystem mainten
On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 03:39 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> over the next several weeks, i'm teaching some courses in RHEL admin
> but (unsurprisingly) i'll be using centos 5.5. it's a
> decently-written, 3rd party course, all the generic, standard admin
> topics but it does leave me about a
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Michel van Deventer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> >
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 03:39 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >> > other ideas?
> >>
> Maybe a crash course in troubleshooting using the rescue CD ?
>
> I don't know exactly which subjects are covered in your course ? Can
> you b
Hi,
>
>>
>> On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 03:39 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>> > other ideas?
>>
Maybe a crash course in troubleshooting using the rescue CD ?
I don't know exactly which subjects are covered in your course ? Can you
be more precise ? :)
regards,
Michel
_
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Frank Cox wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 03:39 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> > other ideas?
>
> LTSP
an intriguing idea, but that might be a bit ambitious and might also
cut into future marketing. one of my plans is that, after this
week-long course is over, i want to
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> To: CentOS discussion list
> From: Robert P. J. Day
> Subject: [CentOS] looking for cool,
> post-install things to do on a centos 5.5 system
>
>
> (note: i asked this a few days ago but it *appears* that that post
> w
On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 03:39 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> other ideas?
LTSP
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posting it again, apologies if you're seeing it a second time.)
over the next several weeks, i'm teaching some courses in RHEL admin
but (unsurprisingly) i'
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