Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-07-06 Thread John Hinton
On 6/30/2010 8:54 PM, John Jasen wrote: m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: John Jasen wrote: m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 15:14 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Sorry, you lost me here. I turned off all access to the

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-07-06 Thread John Jasen
John Hinton wrote: On 6/30/2010 8:54 PM, John Jasen wrote: Well, I'm a security admin, so of course protection is more important than utility! :) But seriously, the assessment tools provide information on your environment, based on certain standard metrics. Its (HOPEFULLY! PCI compliance

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-07-06 Thread John Hinton
On 7/6/2010 4:49 PM, John Jasen wrote: John Hinton wrote: On 6/30/2010 8:54 PM, John Jasen wrote: Well, I'm a security admin, so of course protection is more important than utility! :) But seriously, the assessment tools provide information on your environment, based on certain

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-07-06 Thread Whit Blauvelt
On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 05:21:36PM -0400, John Hinton wrote: My point is these 'security metrics' businesses that are paid, generally by credit card companies, to do these software scans and don't ever do these most basic checks. Not that my quoted text is the name of one of these

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-07-06 Thread John Hinton
On 7/6/2010 5:34 PM, Whit Blauvelt wrote: On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 05:21:36PM -0400, John Hinton wrote: My point is these 'security metrics' businesses that are paid, generally by credit card companies, to do these software scans and don't ever do these most basic checks. Not that my

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Les Mikesell wrote on Tue, 29 Jun 2010 17:52:37 -0500: Apache Server 2.x Prior To 2.2.14 Multiple Vulnerabilities Apache \'mod_proxy_ftp\' Wildcard Characters Cross-Site Scripting. Remove that module from httpd.conf and try again. If it still gives that warning you've proven the tool is

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread Les Mikesell
Kai Schaetzl wrote: Les Mikesell wrote on Tue, 29 Jun 2010 17:52:37 -0500: Apache Server 2.x Prior To 2.2.14 Multiple Vulnerabilities Apache \'mod_proxy_ftp\' Wildcard Characters Cross-Site Scripting. Remove that module from httpd.conf and try again. If it still gives that warning

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: Kai Schaetzl wrote: Les Mikesell wrote on Tue, 29 Jun 2010 17:52:37 -0500: Apache Server 2.x Prior To 2.2.14 Multiple Vulnerabilities Apache \'mod_proxy_ftp\' Wildcard Characters Cross-Site Scripting. Remove that module from httpd.conf and try again. If it still gives

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread Frank Cox
On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 10:10 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I understand that. We had a scan a few months ago (and theyre about to do it again), and to satisfy it, I had to turn off the h/d/ramdisks in our laser printers What is the point of doing a security scan under conditions that

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread m . roth
Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 10:10 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I understand that. We had a scan a few months ago (and they're about to do it again), and to satisfy it, I had to turn off the h/d/ramdisks in our laser printers What is the point of doing a security scan under

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread Jim Wildman
For most (large) organizations, security scans have NOTHING to do with increasing security, and everything with being able to answer Yes to a question like Do you regularly scan for known defects?, probably for a VISA type compliance check. If you don't already know, you really don't want to know

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread m . roth
Jim Wildman wrote: On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Frank Cox wrote: snip What is the point of doing a security scan under conditions that are not actually live? It sounds like moving the flammable materials out before a fire inspection, then moving them right back in when the inspector leaves. What

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread Frank Cox
On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 15:14 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Sorry, you lost me here. I turned off all access to the h/d/ramdisk on the printers, and left it off. This, of course, slows things down a lot, but it's Secure. The point is that the security scan is supposed to be verifying that

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010, Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 15:14 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Sorry, you lost me here. I turned off all access to the h/d/ramdisk on the printers, and left it off. This, of course, slows things down a lot, but it's Secure. The point is that the security

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread m . roth
Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 15:14 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Sorry, you lost me here. I turned off all access to the h/d/ramdisk on the printers, and left it off. This, of course, slows things down a lot, but it's Secure. The point is that the security scan is supposed to

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread John Jasen
m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 15:14 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Sorry, you lost me here. I turned off all access to the h/d/ramdisk on the printers, and left it off. This, of course, slows things down a lot, but it's Secure. The point is that the

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread m . roth
John Jasen wrote: m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 15:14 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Sorry, you lost me here. I turned off all access to the h/d/ramdisk on the printers, and left it off. This, of course, slows things down a lot, but it's Secure. snip Forgive

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/30/2010 4:02 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Frank, I'm not sure of the object of your part of the conversation, me, or the security team that I have to deal with. I'm also feeling as though we're talking past each other. They ran the scan. My manager handed the response handling of it to

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: On 6/30/2010 4:02 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Frank, I'm not sure of the object of your part of the conversation, me, or the security team that I have to deal with. I'm also feeling as though we're talking past each other. They ran the scan. My manager handed the response

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread Jim Wildman
But the point is that the original poster is NOT the one running the scan. And the results of the scan (complaining about vulnerabilities based on version numbers) indicates that it is not a true 'security' scan anyway. For (almost) every CVE issued, there is a way to mitigate the risk that does

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/30/2010 4:39 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: companies/business units/administrators police themselves so you need metrics for someone else to test with. And even internally you need to document why the failure of any standard check should be overlooked. No, the security people should have

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread Ross Walker
On Jun 30, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/30/2010 4:39 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: companies/business units/administrators police themselves so you need metrics for someone else to test with. And even internally you need to document why the failure of any

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread Kwan Lowe
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 5:02 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Frank, I'm not sure of the object of your part of the conversation, me, or the security team that I have to deal with. I'm also feeling as though we're talking past each other. They ran the scan. My manager handed the response handling

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread John Jasen
m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: John Jasen wrote: m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 15:14 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Sorry, you lost me here. I turned off all access to the h/d/ramdisk on the printers, and left it off. This, of course, slows things down a lot, but

[CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-29 Thread Les Mikesell
What's the correct response to a security scan that points out that apache versions below 2.2.14 have multiple known vulnerabilities? Is there an official document about what known vulnerabilities have been fixed in the RHEL/CentOS updates or do you have to wade through the changelog to try

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-29 Thread Kwan Lowe
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: What's the correct response to a security scan that points out that apache versions below 2.2.14 have multiple known vulnerabilities?  Is there an official document about what known vulnerabilities have been fixed in

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-29 Thread John Hinton
On 6/29/2010 5:11 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: What's the correct response to a security scan that points out that apache versions below 2.2.14 have multiple known vulnerabilities? Is there an official document about what known vulnerabilities have been fixed in the RHEL/CentOS updates or do you

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-29 Thread Brian Mathis
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: What's the correct response to a security scan that points out that apache versions below 2.2.14 have multiple known vulnerabilities?  Is there an official document about what known vulnerabilities have been fixed in

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-29 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010, Brian Mathis wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: What's the correct response to a security scan that points out that apache versions below 2.2.14 have multiple known vulnerabilities?  Is there an official document about what

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-29 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/29/2010 4:37 PM, Bill Campbell wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010, Brian Mathis wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Les Mikeselllesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: What's the correct response to a security scan that points out that apache versions below 2.2.14 have multiple known vulnerabilities?

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-29 Thread Benjamin Franz
On 06/29/2010 03:52 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: It's internal, but requires a formal response - or an application update. The test tool says: These are the reported vulnerabilities Apache Server 2.x Prior To 2.2.14 Multiple Vulnerabilities Apache \'mod_proxy_ftp\' Wildcard Characters

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-29 Thread John Jasen
Kwan Lowe wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: What's the correct response to a security scan that points out that apache versions below 2.2.14 have multiple known vulnerabilities? Is there an official document about what known vulnerabilities have

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-29 Thread Jim Wildman
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Les Mikesell wrote: What's the correct response to a security scan that points out that apache versions below 2.2.14 have multiple known vulnerabilities? Is there an official document about what known vulnerabilities have been fixed in the RHEL/CentOS updates or do you

Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-29 Thread Jim Perrin
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:55 PM, John Jasen jja...@realityfailure.org wrote: Googling the CVE # and the vendor will usually turn up the patched version or disposition quickly. An easy way to nail down CVE verifications is via http://www.redhat.com/security/data/cve/ This url allows you to